Tip: Strength doesn?t equal power

[whitesox]

Pricisely!!!

 

I wouldn't go as far as calling neglible though, take into consideration that the TDF was won by 23secs...

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

Ok, now plain Pofadder inglish please.

 

 

 

If I sit and "grind" (AVE) at say 80% h/r (+- 175bpm), cadence about 80, for 4-5 HOURS,

 

 

 

Do I now work on :

 

(1) POWER

 

(2) STRENGTH

 

(3) ENDURANCE

 

(4) None above, I'm wasting my time.popeye2007-11-01 00:05:23

[Willehond]

Geez, now all we need is for Johan Bornman to join this discussion and I will be forever lost!  Thanks for making this all easy to understand  (where do I find that sarcastic smiley?)

 

Once we get into "he claims, but other studies claim" territory, we get into serious geekspace and I reserve that purely for confusing my wife when I want to buy new bike bits (like I just mothered my saddle and am in the market for a SLR!)

 

Have fun, but I'm off to find an easy to understand thread in the quantum physics section...

[Marius]

Sounds like you are doing high L2 rides Pops. They are only good for 2 things and that active recovery and to teach you body to burn fat more effectively. I think you have to go a bit harder, lets say 85-90% Max HR and bring the volume down/time in the saddle. I know you are training for a Epic so maybe it'll work to get you thru it but it's not helping your "racing" much as you are not training at Threshold or Tempo which is needed in racing and to increase you FTP. That said, it's only my opinion, I might be wrong.

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

yes maruis, my training is not for the funrides or racing. My only race will be next year March.

 

 

 

so, watse van daai 4 doen ek.?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

popeye2007-11-01 00:28:14

[Marius]

Nommer 3

[Marius]

...MAAR, ek glo jy kan die EPIC vinniger doen as jy minder lang rides doen en korter harder rides in werk om jou FTP te virhoog, ok ok, ek weet jy wil nie jaag nie so bogger voort

[pastapouch]

Not using the power thing, but what I changed on my HR training program is to do an interval, keeping the cadence the same and letting the heart rate go through the session's limits, so after warm up , I'll be at 70%, if the interval is 2min I'll work from 70% hr to 80%. Works very well. I think where hr goes wrong is your limit for the session is set to be between 70 (154)- 80% (168), and most will train at  162 and try to keep it there. And to do that, you'll constantly have to pedal slower/ligher.

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

Ok, so as ek die Bulte in die groot blade klim, (sit en staan) wat doen ek dan? (power or strength)?

 

 

 

Dis mos nou te vroeg om op jou FTP te werk, is dit nie 'n January / FEB ding?popeye2007-11-01 00:32:48

[Marius]

Onthou ook jy kan net soveel lang rides doen voor jy in jou moer is, mens vat lank om te recover van hulle so dus nog n rede om liewer korter rides te doen meer gereeld.

[Marius]

Ok' date=' so as ek die Bulte in die groot blade klim, (sit en staan) wat doen ek dan? (power or strength)?

Dis mos nou te vroeg om op jou FTP te werk, is dit nie 'n January / FEB ding?[/quote']

 

Jy *** jou knee op.

[Brakkies Sport Fotos]

ok, ek ry elke dinsdag / woensdag en donderdag

 

 

 

Die oggende is +- 1h15 - 1h20

 

 

 

Die middae is 1h50 - 2h00

 

 

 

so ek doen kortes in die week.

[CaptainDura]

Onthou ook jy kan net soveel lang rides doen voor jy in jou moer is' date=' mens vat lank om te recover van hulle so dus nog n rede om liewer korter rides te doen meer gereeld.[/quote']

 

Marius

 

Wat in jou opinie is die korter rides waarvan jy hier praat 1.5 ure ? 2 ure? en wat is meer gereeld ? elke dag, elke 2de dag ?

[BikeMax]

 

Ok' date=' now plain Pofadder inglish please.

 

 

 

If I sit and "grind" (AVE) at say 80% h/r (+- 175bpm), cadence about 80, for 4-5 HOURS,

 

 

 

Do I now work on :

 

(1) POWER

 

(2) STRENGTH

 

(3) ENDURANCE

 

(4) None above, I'm wasting my time.[/quote']

 

Pops - lets leave the "power" thing aside for a minute - your ride would be predominantly improving endurance, but at 80% you would also be improving aerobic fitness - which is VERY relevant for the Epic as it is one hell of a long time to spend on a bike.

 

All I would say is that you might want to be working on improving aerobic fitness some more, in addition to this by riding some harder, tempo type rides at 85% but for  shorter durations. As a rough guide you want to make sure that on these tempo rides you are pretty much working at the max effort for the duration that you can manage.

 

Ultimately you need the endurance AND the fitness to allow you to ride harder for longer.

 

[mountain_lion]

 

 

 

? Strength doesn?t equal power on the bike. Power is defined as work over time.

 

 

 

Since we are getting all theoretical proving theorems etc. ...

 

Here is another power related one (just confuse Willehond even more):

 

"Engineers and scientists can never earn as much as business executives and sales people."

 

This theorem can now be supported by a mathematical equation based on the following two postulates (which we all accept as true):

 

       Postulate 1: Knowledge is Power.

       Postulate 2: Time is Money.

 

       As every engineer and scientist knows:

 

       Power = Work/Time

 

       Since: Knowledge = Power and

                 Time = Money,

       then:

                 Knowledge = Work/Money

 

       Solving for Money, we get:

                 Money = Work/Knowledge.

 

Thus, as Knowledge approaches zero, Money approaches infinity, regardless of the  amount of work done.

 

Conclusion: The less you know, the more you make.

 

 

[Marius]

Onthou ook jy kan net soveel lang rides doen voor jy in jou moer is' date=' mens vat lank om te recover van hulle so dus nog n rede om liewer korter rides te doen meer gereeld.[/quote']

 

Marius

 

Wat in jou opinie is die korter rides waarvan jy hier praat 1.5 ure ? 2 ure? en wat is meer gereeld ? elke dag, elke 2de dag ?

 

IMO is korter rides soos jy raai 1h30-2h00 en ek sou 3van hulle gedoen het opeenvolgende dae, rus dag, een lang ride Max 3ure en dan n active recovery ride vir n 1uur en dan weer n oof the bike day. Hy, maar ek't nog nie n EPic gedoen net, ek "dink" maar net dit sal beter werk.