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Holy Sh*t, that was quick! Yip it was that one and we all make mistakes but in this instance they actually confirmed to me that this is what they do, use pictures only for illustration purposes. Well at least they fixed it. As Tyler Hamilton taught us - there is never been a more honest man than the one caught cheating

I understand that times are tough for EVERYONE but why do bike shops feel that it is OK to use unethical behavior on their online shops? I was just browsing and I landed on Cycle Lab. I looked at they bikes and saw that they advertised a bike for what seems to be a very good price when you look at the pic. 1x11 drive train with hydraulic disc brakes. Scrolling down to the specs you realize that it is a 3x7 with mechanical brakes. It is not a difficult product pic to get as I found with a 30sec Google so why use an unrelated, clearly upspec'd picture for illustration purposed only when you are not trying to #@$ the uneducated? And then WHY do these unethical businesses make it though the pandemic when hard working honest business owners have to shutdown. Just does not seem right to me. Oh and before the Cycle Lab fans start, yip I will spend my money somewhere else, I'm just sad for those who get F'd over by them because, if they think it is OK to do this imagine what else they will do.

Kan nie meer verskil nie. Dis een van die dinge wat groenies so lekker maak. Vir elke tegniese deel is daar n chicken run. Daar is basies n buite en n binne track. Die buite track het geen tegniese obstacle behalwe dalk met die uitsondering van die stuk langs Christina/Botha teen die draad oppad terug. Maar selfs hierdie hoef jy nie te vat om terug te kom by die begin. Jy sal nie n meer beginner friendly venue kry as groenies nie. As jou pelle kla moet hulle dalk net die training wiele laat afhaal want dit is geneig om aan klipped vas te haak.

Yip that is what I would expect to happen. You will probably notice that MC lube comes out of the can in a very soluble state, almost foamy, but after a while the viscosity firms up, either wax or oil. This works for a MC chain since it generates quite a bit of heat, softening the lube, which a bicycle chain does not.

Yip as goose said - cleaning the chain will be a nightmare and it will collect a lot of gunk. Besides viscosity MC lube is different in that it has to cope with high speed and high temperature. Personally I would not use it. Everybody is tempted to use a cheaper alternative, I mean R145+ for a small bottle of lube for a bicycle is crazy, but in the end it is money worth spending. Sure if you are cash strapped then use whatever keeps the wheels rolling but if not the I can guarantee that after trying 3-1 oil, transmission oil, MC lube, Filter oil,Spray & cook, sunflower oil and any other conceivable alternative you will return to bicycle specific products. BTW since a bicycle chain is not a sealed X or O ring design there is very little damage you can do (if any) by using other lube alternatives so experiment all you want and find something that works for you.

It is attitudes like this (me, me, me) that results in minority groups being marginalized. Two very common responses regarding this topic is 'I did not harm you' and 'how many cyclist got killed running red lights'. Well my friend you are very lucky indeed but it is NOT about YOU. It is about the perception created with other road users, it is about promoting this type of behavior among all road users, it is about maintaining credibility when it is needed. Everybody knows we are not talking about a back road at 5 am on a Sunday in Springbok. We are talking about the blatant disregard in front of other road users just because I can and because I won't get killed. Stop thinking about yourself, think about the response (that you help breed) from the driver who just killed your child on his way to school. Think about the fact that the next person that follows your lead, of making up rules based on how you feel, and makes a judgement error (not everybody is as clever as you) and kills somebody, or gets killed. Extract head from ass and THINK about others for a minute, even if it is just your own family.

Let me start out in saying I'm not starting this thread to start a huge debate (but it will). Everybody have their view and this is mine (and I have the hospital records to prove it). Something that was said more than once during the Burry tragedy is that both cyclists and motorists must obey traffic laws. It does not imply guilt on anybody' part but does insinuate that both cyclist and motorist break the law while out on the roads, which is true. I saw these two letter that states the obvious - some cyclist have an attitude that breeds disregard with other road users. http://www.beeld.com/MyBeeld/Briewe/Gee-arrogante-fietsryers-eie-pad-20130106 http://www.beeld.com/MyBeeld/Briewe/Sommige-ander-fietsryers-se-selfsug-bekommer-my-20130106 This is not really about the fact that you agree/disagree or whether you feel others also break the law, it's about common sense. How often have I seen people point out quickly that the other party also broke the law i.e. just as guilty etc. or argue that since you sometime ride 110 km/h in a 100 km/h zone you are just as guilty of breaking the law as the one who rode though a red light. While this might be true it changes nothing about perception. If we always apply the logic of we are all guilty it would mean that since you exceed the speed limit by 10 km/h I am now entitled to kill you, an extreme that illustrates the basic principle that 'wrongs' cannot be measured equally, you need to consider the consequences. People by nature, are followers (monkey see, monkey do) and most will look for any excuse to do something because 'they' did it. Not very long ago we saw taxis starting to use stop streets as yield signs and eventually red traffic lights as well. People were outraged but now, a few years down the line look around you - you will see many shiny family sedans doing the exact same thing. One thing that has not changed though is the fact that we all scream about the lawlessness when that taxi kills a pedestrian but our screams is now somewhat mitigated by the fact that the finger now points both ways. So what exactly am I trying to say here? It's not about being the perfect model citizen who can claim to have never broken the law, it's about applying common sense and think about those coming after you. Most people do not apply the logic to a situation that it deserves. Take the fact that a bicycle weighs ~10kg while a motor vehicle is a few tons have a huge bearing on the outcome of your decisions. If I (the cyclist) make a judgement error on the road worse case I will pay with my life, if I do the same with my car I could potential take another life. The average motorist do not think like that. Their thinking is more in the line of 'well if they can do it so can I'. More than once when I have confronted a motorist who turned in front of me their response has been 'you cyclists ride like you own the road', very rarely do I get a 'I'm sorry'. They will justify their wrongs by pointing out 'yours' even though you were in the right in that particular case. The sad thing is the 'your' wrongs are not really yours but that of the person whose path they crossed days before. So the animosity build up against other arrogant road users are being taken out on me. Although you arrived home save you may have just killed somebody else by telling the angry motorist to F himself or flipping him the bird because he shouted at you to get out the middle of the road. Common sense really. If you don't care about yourself cool but please consider others. You loose a few seconds by stopping at an intersection and you can practice your sprints to make up those seconds. So fourietjie maybe consider that my child might cross the path of the same road users that you alienated before you threaten to 'moer' me for asking you, and your buddies to stop at a red light next time. PS. I'm not perfect and probably break the letter of the law at least once a day. I don't flaunt it or think it is my right.

What shocks me is that people are so 'shocked' by this. Really? This is the society that our government breeds - one of 'bring my AK47' and 'kill the boer'. One where the worst penalty for murder and rape is a few years with possibility of parole. One where police members have to be send on 'anti corruption' courses to make them 'uncorruptable'. One where criminals would shoot children in the back and torture/rape/kill old people. One where the majority of government officials have criminal records. One where changing names is much more important that to help the poor, fight crime and improve living conditions. One where 'take back what belongs to you' have been preached from political podiums for years. 'Criminals going to a new low' is so inappropriate. They have been there, and much lower, but luckily we are going to manguang to shuffle the corruption around a bit. That's going to help us a ton. What a shame that our young children have to be exposed to this.

They, like many others sit on a very high horse. I'm sure there are millions who benefited from the LA foundation who like me don't give a dogs ass about sports illustrated or their opinion.

As I've said many times before - the guy in from of you is an asshole, the guy behind you is an asshole, the guy passing you is an asshole, the guy you pass is an asshole, the guy in the 26' is an asshole, the guy on the 29' is an asshole and soon the guy on the 650 will be an asshole. Build a bridge and carry your own spares over it. For moral support, join a support group.

So is taking time to go to the hardware store during working hours and a whole list of other things I could mention if I was so inclined but that is not really the point now is it. Banning offenders from the sport will allow them to move on and continue their lives doing something else if they felt that taking the risk is worth it. But instead we are proposing making them, and their families, a burden the state (tax payers)? Really? I can think of 1001 things that can be done with my tax money. Let the governing body for the sport handle it with all the money they harvest from their members. Impose a ban. Finish. The thief/doper/cheater is gone.

Ok maybe I'm naive but are we really this caught up that we want to make criminals of dopers because their fans and sponsors expect them to be abnormal. This coming from a country where the police cannot police themselves so that we have REAL criminals that kill and rape women and children run around our streets, where we have a corrupt government that cost the taxpayer many many millions to support or maybe closer to home; where we have a governing body for our sport that does NOTHING for cycle safety!!! Come on lets get real. It's one thing to take away somebodies income by banning them for live from professional sports, it's something totally different to criminalize a father and husband thereby making sure they will have a very difficult time getting ANY job again.

Watching super cycling when Andrew and Owen comments on doping just pisses me off. You have two types of top cyclists - those who got caught and those who have not been caught. Chris Froome? High as a kite doing the TdF. Difference between Lance and Tyler? One got caught and the other not. Funny how everybody is proud of those who 'spoke up' but nobody mentions the fact that they were 'forced' to do so. Do I care? No not really, cycling still remains a spectacular sport. And where I live at the bottom of the food chain you can take all the EPO you want, like any performance enhancing drug it needs serious talent to make a difference, besides coloring you piss. People should get over it, performance enhancing drugs has been around since Adam spiked his libido by eating that apple. He got caught and was booted of the team but did that stop the trend? Apple then, EPO today, who knows what tomorrow. Now where is that IV?

Sure is. Typical rental for a decent bike would be usd90 - 120 per day. The USA is big so you will have to be a bit more specific.

Bit off topic but no, not extreme at all. Actually I would say if it survives your stair test more than once you are save. Airlines don't handle your luggage, it's outsourced to ground handlers. Ground handlers have absolutely no respect for luggage. With 'no' I mean NADA, nothing. These are the people at ORT who break open luggage and steal valuables on a regular basis.

Maybe a bit off topic but I just could not resist - "surely if the Hub is anything to go by they..." Seriously? The place where everybody slower than you is an a-hole, everybody faster than you is an a-hole, everybody who rides 26" is an a-hole, everybody who rides 29" is an a-hole, everybody who likes Armstrong is an a-hole, everybody who hates Armstrong is an a-hole? And there is really somebody out there who would consider this a measuring stick for what? Oh and Phil is my man.

A great book but you have to ask yourself this- Would Tyler have been so forth coming if he was never caught? Nothing makes a man more honest that being exposed. It's one thing to come clean if you were never exposed but your little angle convince you to tall all. Totally different if you do it after the fact. One is honesty, the other sensation. Tyler, Armstrong? The same thing just different stakes. And I'm not talking about personalities i.e. the one is an a-hole and the other not, I'm talking about the doping issue.

Did not take the time to read all 21 pages but what struck me on the first page is the attack on the OP and people trying to justify why 2 wrongs (of which one was assumed and proven incorrect) made it OK. Simple facts: We all want to ride abreast to chat about crap while we are suppose to be riding unfortunately the roads and road users does not permit this Everybody is equal on the road but some are more equal than others and equality had a direct relationship to size and speed hence the small you are the more unequal you are so stradling a pipe is not the equalizing factor that you may think it is Taking ownership of the road because you can does not make you equal, it make you stupid or, if you survive, lucky. The stupidest thing I have ever heard somebody say is by owning the road you 'force' others to notice you. You are on a few pieces of pipe/plastic with skin tight lycra and a build in knob! How forcefull do you think you are? The fact the you get lucky while disobeying traffic laws on the bike does not mean you enforced anything. What you don't see is that the driver who was pissed of by previous riders like you takes it out on the innocent i.e. somebodies child just riding to school

Vriende van die Monument betaal wel nie vir die fietsry- en staproetes nie (dis deel van hulle lidmaatskapvoordele), maar enige ander besoekers kan elke Sondag gedurende September, Oktober en November 2012 gratis kom stap en fietsry. Fietse is ook by die Infosentrum te huur teen R80 per uur, met 'n deposito van R200 wat na afloop van die rit terugbetaal sal word.

Martin it's nice to see that you have some common sense or rather, consideration for others. If I land up behind a slower rider due to whatever reason and that rider is actually riding I would be patient and either wait for them to give me an overtaking opportinity when it is save for them or I can do so without taking them out. They paid as much to ride as I did. But let's consider the bottleneck scenario and possible reasons for this. If a slower or technically inapt rider dismounts on the line to walk an obstacle it will have a knock on effect and this is unfair to those who can ride it. If it is because of an issue like a broken bridge then riders should stop being like sheep by trying to negotiate the broken bridge while hlding up others, again with a knock on. If the riders listened to the marshel at the bridge and portage through the water the bottle neck would not have been 5% of what it turned out to be. Those who chose to portage though the water are called out as inconsiderate because they did not want to stand around to try and cross a broken bridge crawling on hands and knees. From you original post it seems as if you understand this concept. Funny how for some people everybody in front of them are A-holes and everybody behind then are A-holes. Maybe it says something about the one in the middle?

The process and formula used to calculate the seeding is explained very well on the SA Seeding site. If you do a search on thehub I'm sure you will find that this has also been posted on the forum. Yes I've had previous issues with my seeding but it's been explained and/or resolved upon query.

Most seem to forget how things have progress, also for the good. I agree that smaller mean better controlled but remember the last time the venue was Smits? If you arrived by car the chances of you riding 5km to the start was fairly good. Back then you got your seeding when you picked up your race number, now you get it via email and boy oh boy if it does not arrive in my inbox 5 day prior I am p*ssed. And now we even get race results via email. How cool is that? Thanks Advendurance, we will always have issues but my experience is that you tend to listen to these gripes to make it better next time.

OK this is a joke right? You do realize that it is not 1 April? Come on, get real. You seriously telling me that you ride watching a computer the whole time and when you get to x Km you want to stop? We are not children. 90, 93, whatever. They should be charging you more for the extra distance you get to ride. 40 and 100? No that is a difference and worth mentioning but really shitting your pants about a few kms? Pack away all your gizmos and grow a pair!

Interesting to read all the views, most negative, about the race on Saturday. Maybe just something to consider - Agreed that the bottle necks and the broken bridge was a let down but with the exception of the timing bridge at the start (WTF!!!) the rest you could attribute about 95% to your fellow MTB'rs. Let me explain. On the last single track there were 3 obstacles - the big tree followed by the little wooden bridge followed by the blue plastic bridge. I started in A and had a mechanical that lost me some time so got passed by lots of people and ended up getting to this section probably just after the brige broke. First rule of riding is that if you cannot ride an obstacle then get of the line. Only one of the three that might be excused is the big tree as it comes up on you suddenly. There is no reason not the ride the wooden bridge and if you can't, don't stand looking at it. Then the broken bridge. Everybody was standing around waiting for the front smuck to try and cross it without getting his feet wet. For crying out loud just walk though the water and up the other side. The fact that the bridge was there at all was a nice to have since there is nothing wrong with a portage section in a MTB race. So some went past the queue, thought the water out the other side. Why should everybody stand around like sheep trying to negotiate a faulty bridge on foot just because some chose to?

Sorry fail to see where I generalised anything. I stated facts. a) 99% had CL kit on. How is that generalising?