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  1. Interesting article about steel in bikes by Cy Turner - Cotic Bikes. Why steel? Cy is a qualified Chartered Mechanical Engineer with 18 years experience across the railway industry as well as in bicycle design. One of the most notable features of the Rocket is its choice of material. Up to a point I've been expecting rolling of eyes and 'what of have those silly steel sniffers at Cotic gone and done now?' and 'why on earth would you use steel on an FS bike? It'll be flexy and heavy, surely?' type questions. I'll be honest with you, before I started this project I'd have been right there with you if someone else had built a steel FS bike. Although we love steel for our rigid frames, the Hemlock was aluminium because, well, that's what you make full suspension frames out of, right? I'd not challenged assumptions at all with that bike, I'd just done what everyone else did. And that was the plan when the Rocket project kicked off. I was focusing on geometry and suspension feel and all the other improvements that I've talked about in the other essays I've written recently. But a couple of things made me challenge those assumptions. Firstly, I'd come back from the trade shows in late 2009 quite disillusioned with the road bike market of all things. At Eurobike there was all the usual carbon loveliness and aluminium swoopiness, even a bit of ti, but anything steel and skinny tyred seemed to be trying incredibly hard to look like it'd been built in a shed in Italy in 1953. It made me sad, because I do love steel as a material for rigid frames. Despite the fact that any frame made from steel would be heavier than the above materials I felt that no one building something modern and forward looking in steel on the road was doing the material, and its fans, a disservice. You could build a road bike with lovely feel and durability at a great price and I thought there was a gap in the market, so I designed a road frame to fulfil this brief. Although we've not moved that project much further forward, I'm really pleased to see that Condor have taken the batten and run with it with their Super Acciao. What this highlighted, when we were talking about the road project, was that what we appreciated about steel: its durability, its strength, its feel and the look. I guess you could say there was an element of dogma involved, but it wasn't that there were no advantages to using steel, it's just that weight wasn't one of them and we liked the other upsides. Secondly, as I was kicking around the specification of the new bike with some of the guys I ride with, and one of them asked why I didn't just start with a BFe front end and graft the suspension onto that. His point being that, with its 35mm seat tube and other large diameter tubes, it's incredibly tough and strong and not exactly a shrinking violet when it comes to stiffness. With my firmly held assumptions I dismissed this out of hand, but when I mentioned it to Paul (Cotic's organiser extraordinaire) he reminded me of our conversations about road bikes and asked why I hadn't looked at it harder, so now my bluff had been called! It was time to do some numbers and justify myself properly. Remember, one of the key things I wanted to improve on from the Hemlock was the stiffness of the connection between the front and rear ends, so I started with the seat tube as it's where all the suspension pivots would be hanging from. This would be critical. I made a comparison between the 35mm aluminium seat tube we used on the Hemlock and the 35mm seat tube from the BFe. Let's do a science bit now so you know where I'm coming from with this... Tubing stiffness comes from two elements; the material stiffness (the Young's Modulus, or E) and the mechanical stiffness (Second moment of area, or I). Combine the two (EI) and you get compare the overall stiffness of the part you're analysing when they aren't in the same material. Usually rigid steel frames exhibit less stiffness than aluminium ones because steel is so strong that you can use it in small diameter, very thin wall tubes, so despite steel being 3 times stiffer than aluminium as a material (E is around 77 for aluminium, around 210 for steel), the mechanical stiffness I is low because of the small diameter and thin wall. Because I is quartically related to diameter (d^4 is an element of the I calculation), increasing diameter from 35mm (usual steel down tube) to 50mm (usual aluminium down tube) makes the mechanical stiffness 4 times larger. And that's before you consider that aluminium needs thicker walls than the steel tube. So the lack of material stiffness in aluminium is overcome by using mechanical stiffness. The reason you can't build aluminium tubes as small and thin as steel ones is because aluminium is also very much weaker than steel (typically 300-400MPa Ultimate Tensile Stength vs 1300MPa for 853), so in simple terms the mechanical stiffness in aluminium tubes is a function of needing to use lots to stop is breaking. So, that's the simple version of the basis of my comparisons across different materials. The key difference in this case is that the mechanical stiffness is similar. The seat tubes being compared are the same outside diameter - although the steel is much thinner wall - and aluminium can't play its 'big' hand here as you can't go larger on the seat tube without running into all sorts of compatibility problems with front mechs, tyres, seatposts and seatclamps. So where the mechanical stiffness is similar, you mutliply it by the material stiffness (steel is 3 times stiffer than aluminium remember) and what do you know? The steel seat tube is massively stiffer than the aluminium one. Not a little bit, but massively stiffer. Sure it's a little heavier too, but my main concern for this part of the frame is tying the suspension pivots to the seat tube as hard as possibly to give a solid ride feel. So, all of a sudden steel is in the game! From here, the next stage is a full weight analysis of a steel version of the frame. The seat tube was a little heavier than the alumium one, so I needed to be sure that lot's of 'little bit' heaviers didn't add to a whole lot heavier on the whole frame. The comparison was with the final 2011 spec Hemlock. Again, steel has the power to surprise. When you're looking at making a hard riding bike that needs a lot of durability and strength steel comes into its own as it's so strong and durable. Aluminium, conversely, needs to be used copiously in a frame of this type to make up for inherent low strength. That great big 50mm down tube on the Hemlock weighs about the same as the 38mm steel down tube on the Rocket, but the Rocket down tube is stronger. Same with the top tube. In fact the only place on the frame where it didn't make sense to use steel was the swingarm, as the large machined pieces required for the bearing housings and dropout sections would not only have been unnessarily heavy, the machining of steel is very expensive compared to aluminium so it would have been much more to make. So the swingarm is aluminium in nice big sections to tie the pivots and axle together properly. Play to the strengths of the material in the location they need to be used. What we ended up with is the Rocket frame, which is weight competitive with the similar aluminium bikes out there, but has a level of durability and stiffness which is really high. I also have to come clean at this point and also admit that I love how it looks too. There, I said it. The key thing here is that steel was right for this application, right for the Rocket, where high loads are going into the frame from the long forks and the type of riding a 150mm travel trail bike encourages. This meant that the high strength of steel made the weight of the frame competitive with other materials with a level of strength and durabilty we were really happy with. In other applications - shorter travel frames for instance, say 100mm both ends - where loads are lower and the riding conditions aren't expected to be as arduous, these don't suit steel so well because you can't go much lighter than the Rocket in steel whilst maintaining the durability. You end up with a short travel frame which would be very heavy for its class and massively over strength. So whilst the Rocket is a great use of the material, we won't be dogmatically using steel for all the other suspension projects we're working on. Just as with the Rocket, I'll sit down and do the numbers and make an informed choice, only this time I won't need pushing into it by other people ;-)
  2. Hi S Ribic, Besides the Power Race glasses I also have the Bollé glasses for R175 a pair: http://www.rapide.co.za/images/products/Bolle-Silium-Tinted-Medium.jpg
  3. No problem Kritzie! Looking forward to your feedback.
  4. Hi Pieter1, We have sold out of the 2.4 Mission but we have the 2.3 in stock. http://www.rapide.co.za/c206/29er.aspx#.UfjM72Qayc0
  5. Hi Smolly, The Vee Mission 650b tyres are tubeless compatible, just add sealant.
  6. Hi Rouxenator, I've got a bunch of 29er Schrader valve tubes, R37 each (brand new in box). Drop me a PM if you are keen.
  7. Hi Guys, Just to let you know we are again stocking The Ride Jounal: The Ride is fanatical about bikes but it’s not just for the fanatics. There are no stories on the best gear to wear, the best energy drinks or whatever else goes in a normal cycling magazine. Instead there are stories written by and about cyclists of all stripes – commuters, couriers, racers, BMX riders – they’re all in there. Beautifully designed and absolutely packed with fascinating articles, it’s the perfect bike magazine for people who don’t have any interest in bikes. And if you do like cycling it’s nothing short of required reading. Contributors in this issue include: Ned Overend, Oli Beckingsale, Anne-Caroline Chausson, Troy Lee, Mark Weir and Chriss Akrigg to name just a few. 194 pages. www.rapide.co.za R179 Including free postage
  8. My favorite move of the day: Fontana's one foot tailout off the crash barrier!!!
  9. Hi 29er Fan, We'll have to take some new pics to post of the Evolution29 when they arrive shortly, I've only got pics of the unfinished frames at the moment.
  10. Hi Speedy, Just to throw in another option, we will have the new Rapidé Evolution29 carbon 29er frame in stock around about the 8th of February, all the features of the big brands, but quite a bit cheaper as we sell direct (we are a South African brand as well). The Rapidé Evolution29 frame is around 1200 grams (depending on size) and will go for R7600 including headset and seat clamp. Warrantee is 2 years. All the info (minus picture!) is here: http://www.rapide.co.za/pRAPIDE%20EVOLUTION29/Rapid%C3%A9-Evolution29.aspx
  11. Hi Seeker911, Contact Details from the Rotor Website: Burry Stander Racing africanmtbkid@yahoo.com chmcoral@mweb.co.za +27 396952033 +27 828924733
  12. Hi Seeker911, You can fit BB30 cranks to a standard 68/73mm BB if you use a BB like the Rotor BSA30: http://www.rotorbike...ngles/bsa30.htm
  13. My Rapidé Alumni 29er Prototype:
  14. The Rapidé Alumni alloy 29er project is going well, a good couple of ride over the weekend - looking forward to the next one! More details on our Facebook page.
  15. Hi Guys, I have a couple of medium (18") Mosso 652 XC Pro frames still available: http://www.rapide.co...-PRO-Frame.aspx
  16. Hi Hairy, Axel to crown is 460mm so you can swap out a 100 travel fork no problems. An unsagged Fox F100 for instance is 470mm A to C.
  17. Hi Hairy, The dimension you need is the Axel to Crown measurement, I'll get it for you.
  18. Hi YUMEYA, We are looking at doing a carbon 26" hardtail...
  19. Hi Taps, 7046 alloy is good stuff, 7005 is the most common grade used. 7046 alloy is 16% stronger and 12% lighter than 7005 tubing
  20. Mosso Rigid 26er Forks Spec: Weight: 730 grams Steerer Length Uncut: 230mm Recommended rider weight limit: 100 kgs Colour: Gloss White or Gloss Black Brakes: Disc & v-brake compatable (removable posts) Price: R420 Let me know if you want a set, we should have them by the end of the month.
  21. Hi XTC1, Unfortunately these are only available in 26" We will have the Rapidé Ultralight9 carbon rigid for for 29ers available soon. Weight uncut is 600 grams.
  22. Hi Weight Weenie, I should know this week what the ETA will be.
  23. Hi Mojoman, Only the chainstay change as far as I know.
  24. Hi Cycho, Yeap! Should be around R420 available in white or black, removable v-brake mounts. Drop me a PM if you are keen?
  25. Hey Azonic, Are these the Mosso Rigid 26er forks you have?
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