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Why should they' date=' this whole debate was fuelled by a few hubbers, whom if I dare say so have limited knowledge and who definitly suffer from middle management syndrome(MMS). (you know, that oak who always knows better and who can always do it better but never does. BEcause there (sic- Their) delivery is limited to lip service, some serious under achievers that have issues with people making a success of their businesses) The entire debate was mainly by a few individuels who if I dare say so definitly suffer from the aforementioned, who have basically achieved very little in life and is now wanting to vent their frustration for under achieving on those who are making a go of it. It's easy to chirp if you are not in the trenches, if you are not the one that is accountable. Such a debate would only be harmfull to the industry and no serious good can come of it. These people should rather explain the thoughtlesness behind the comments that they made, why seek to harm those that are seeking to improve/better and promote our sport. Bear inmind that as an investment, a cycle shop is a bad idea, it does not generate the returns that would justify the capital that you need to invest, but these people do it anyway and as such we need to ensure that they remain around, in order for us to get what we want. No online shop can quickly sort out the gears jumping at 6pm on a friday if you are racing the next morning, only you LBS can, and if he cant make a living he aint gonna be there to do that. However our MMS suffering individuals cant see that, hence there (sic) reason for suffering from MMS. Please guys, grow up. You actualy cant do a better job, that is why you waste your employers time persuing these vendetta's on the hub. If you focus on your work you will be able to earn more so the increase prices should not effect you [/quote'] I have taken the liberty of editting (only slightly) your post. HR being a editor for a living can finish off the rough bits. You seem to be very annoyed at not being senior enough to be in middle management. Your incohert ranting also reflect a loyalty to a LBS. Unfortunately, it does more damage than good. (your ranting, not yoiur loyalty). Obviously, you are not a consumer who is sick of paying exhorbatant prices to float someone elses poor investment. But anyway, the debate will go like this: Retailer: I have to eat you know, that is way it is expensive. Consumer: Me too, that is why I now shop with someone else online. (by the way I have learnt (by necessity) to service my bike). Retailer: Don't be unfair, what about the warrantees? Consumer: Never needed them, never used them, and last time I returned my shimano shifters to you............ No need for a debate on this one. Firstly I earn enough to not to worry about the prices, I actually believe they are reasonable, Secondly I deal with a whole bunch of MMS's everyday, they only differance is I pay there salaries, even though they believe they can do my job better than I can. Thirdly, Yes I am loyal to my local LBS, yes they have helped me a lot in the past, and yes I want to see them succeed, however due to the nature of my work (and not my LBS) I know whet the margins are, both for the wholesaler as well as the LBS, and me personaly I would rather put my money i the bank at no risk, they don't however, their passion is what drives them and we ultimatly as the consumer get to reap the benefit of this.

Why should they, this whole debate was fuelled by a few hubbers, whom if I dare say so have limited knowledge and who definitly suffer from middle management syndrome(MMS), you know, that oak who always knows better and who can always do it better but never does, cause there delivery is limited to lip service, some serious under achievers that have issues with people making a success of their businesses, the entire debate was mainly by a few individuels who if I dare say so definitly suffer from the aforementioned, who have basically achieved very little in life and is now wanting to vent their frustration for under achieving on those who are making a go of it. It's easy to chirp if you are not in the trenches, if you are not the one that is accountable, such a debate would only be harmfull to the industry and no serious good can come of it, these people should rather explain the thoughtlesness behind the comments that they made, why seek to harm those that are seeking to improve/better and promote our sport. Bear inmind that as an investment, a cycle shop is a bad idea, it does not generate the returns that would justify the capital that you need to invest, but these people do it anyway and as such we need to ensure that they remain around inorder for us to get what we want, no online shop can quickly sort out the gears jumping at 6pm on a friday if you are racing the next morning, only you LBS can, and if he cant make a living he aint gonna be there to do that. However our MMS suffering individuals cant see that, hence there reason for suffering from MMS. Please guys, grow up. You actualy cant do a better job, that is why you waste your employers time persuing these vendetta's on the hub. If you focus on your work you will be able to earn more so the increase prices should not effect you

Ag nee, hier gaan ons alweer, Sies man Willen het jy geen self respek nie dat jy saam met hierdie TCS manne op 'n tandem gaan klim, skaam jou man, nou kan jy mos net sowel vir die Blou BAlle skreeu en na Sif Mofmeyer se musiek luister.

Almost daily we hear of some cyclist that's been hit by some car and absolutly nothing is being done about it. We dont even hear about the near misses and having had a few of those I am sure that there must be multiple near missies on a daily basis. I am also convinced that there are a nuber of serial offenders out there who pride themselves on just clipping the cyclist with his side mirror, or being able to miss the cyclist be less that 10mm. This miss will however turn into a hit oneday, and the motorist will turn around and say, It was just an accident, and there is no way we can prove it otherwise, so this is my thought, is there not a way that we can set up a site where we can report or list these hits and misses, referancing them by reg no, and should someone be hit we will be able to referance back whether we are dealing with a serial offender that might have been listed 10 times before by 10 different cyclist, thus proving that there was intent and that it was'nt an accident. This could allow us to send a notice to a motorist once they havebeen listed more than a certain no of times, that we are aware of his or her behaviour, that they have been reported and that should this behaviour continue that they will get into trouble.

Read between the lines: Cheating is OK if it is inconvenient to prevent!! No wonder cyclists can be such scaly f*cks. I could get my bike under 6.8 if I wanted to' date=' but I don't. Why? Because it is cheating, and CHEATING IS NOT OK! Not in my book, anyway. When I got dropped on Sunday, one of the okes with whom I was trying to chase back (I know who he is, also usually rides a bike which is well under 6.8kg) said 'let's use the cars'. No man! Let's not. If we aren't strong enough to stay in the group, well, train some more or get used to it. [/quote'] Pity that you are the exception rather than the rule!! Still cycling cannot produce the quality of bullsh1tters found in ameteur golf competitions!!! That's only cause ameteur golfers can only count to 5 and thats goinb by decimal once they get past 4. So maybe lets start a name and shame hall of fame for those who cheat, holding onto cars, motor pacing behind busses, taking drugs ,taking a short cut etc,etc, these guys should be named and then left to deal with the bunch when they arrive at the start line.

You think that once he gets to page 30 Nando's will contact him to make an add, Hey come try our Illegaly Hot and Spicy Nando's Chicken.

Was Rabubi daar?? Scalpel, ek gaan jou oor 2 jaar met my Ferari omry omdat jy my K@K byt die heeltyd. Hey, dis 'n ROOI F$kken DATSUN, 'n ROOI F#kken DATSUN, 'n ROOI F%kken DATSUN, wa kom jy met jou Ferrari, jy't alweer teveel Sif Mofmeyer musiek geluister, gin wonder jy's alweer siek nie.

Is that before or after you've had a cr@p

Its ok, he's coming to do the Argus

Ok I tell you what, lets base this series on weight, lets say 90KG. So all riders have to weigh 90kg before the race starts, No trips to the loo after the official weigh in, you then get a little rucksack with your weight to carry so we can all weigh the same, If you weigh more than 90kgs without any extra weight, well then you are a fatbastard and can do with the extra suffering caused by your excess weight

Can we have a super series for him Jock and all the other "ex pro's" and then one for the rest of us mere mortals

Yep, we're discussing the same guy then. Bruce, I'm not running him down. He's a character that causes a stir whenever he races. Grown men fear him even before they've seen him. I find people like him fascinating. Sean, you are responding to Owen, not to me. We just share the same avatar. R u getting a bit nervous

You know that this is a family show and that this type of hardcore porn should not be displayed, it makes the rest of us feel infrior

Ja man, ek was die hele week siek, maar miskien moes ek maar VS gery het, dan kon ek darem vir Yolandi du Toit se boutjies gestaar het vir so net oor die 3 ure, eish dit maak die pyn mos baie lekkerder.

The sad thing is that he does'nt believe what he did is wrong (Said to me , but I did'nt follow the bus to the finish) or unethical, rider like this should stick to open where their ar'nt really any rules, and we wheelsuck from the start to the finish. What concerns me even more though is the number of riders that got dropped on the first bump going up to the 4way stop at the top to the lion park, you know its gonna be a long day when you stand on the line, you look at the rider next to you, you notice that his saddle bag is bigger than your wife's handbag and he has a gel cover on his saddle. PLEASE CSA , lets have some control over who is allowed to enter as a licensed rider.

So then he actually acted fraudulently, and by accepting the prize money committed theft, maybe the Superseries should lay a criminal charge against OB as this was done intensionally.

It seems that cheating is becoming the order of the day, in the VA bunch our Lost City VA winner decided that it was acceptable for him to motorpace behind a bus going up the drag to the maropeng road, from this he gained about a 45sec advantage on the bunch which he did not have the legs to use , then towards the end he again jumped into the VB bunch and thried to wheel suck them to the finish, only to be upset when the officialdom correctly told hin to get out of the bunch. Now I know we all race for results, but realy why cheat, and why cheat when you still aint gonna win ********.

Sorry, but I would rather be seen on aRaleigh before I'm seen on this, it must go down a hit in Vereeniging thou

Doesn't the hub have a rule against this kind of advertising? Do, they, do they, please tell me, don know, I ride for the Lab and have found them to basically have the biggest range

Get some training wheels, used to race superbikes in my wild young days, had a girlfiend that then asked me if we are taugh how to fall, said yes, going to the track this weekend to learn how to highside at 90kph and practice how to break bones