glad you got sorted. what helmet did you get? as an aside' date=' i got given a rapha cap by craven that is tempting me to ride without a helmet [/quote'] mmmm a Spiuk Nexion. It is on special Dont go riding without a helmet and a caps. you are NOT a pro OR a tjop! If I am not mistaken, don't most Porfessional Contracts now enforce the use of helmets by there cyclists at all times? I do not think medical aids would pay out if they found out a guy was in a cycling accident and was illegaly not wearing a helmet. Means youu will either have to sell your house die. But if you live, then there is the poor old wife or kids who have to look after you for the rest of your life whilst you become a burden to them. Makes one think cycling without a helmet if a bit more selfish than at first glance. I like the comment about being greated less when not wearing a helmet. I do the same. We had a bloke come join our group once without a helmet. Told him to go and ride next to someone else. Our club captain told him to go home. Guy felt like a prize tjop and next week rocked up with his helmet. Now we all mates and have a good laugh about it. I just dont'understand why guys do it. Besides, my main beef with the dudes was there lack of discipline regarding the traffic lights. How many guys have we had killed here in this area in the past few years. Friends of ours. Most of us probably went to their funerals and rode in procession for them. Maybe shed a tear and all cursed the guy who rode them down. Now I ask you, was all of that in vain cause guys like this still show disrespect for other road users and for their fellow cyclists who get more targeted by motorists, truckers, etc. I average 4-5 hours day on the bike and it does not hurt to stop at a red light, here in our part of the world it may be 5 time on a ride like that. I normally just shout, "Get some discipline!" to guys to ride like idiots when I see them and what amazes me if the attitue of don't tune me because I will F*%k you up. It is like a young boy so full of pride that he doesn't realize that he is in the wrong and should actually just keep quiet and maybe say sorry man and change. Immature. And I do not agree with it being none of our business to put pressure on others in our circles. Public pressure has been proven to be the most effective means of keeping a nation in check second to civil authority. And in our country we certainly don't have enough civil servants to do it all. So we either put public pressure on when needed or let the country decall. As for the helmet, I just mentioned it in hope the guy knew who he was if he read this, if he wants to get killed then that is his problem, but the rest of his actions affect all of us.