Very touchy topic... and glad to see others with the same viewpoint. <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> I don't mind paying for something if I actually get something for my money. I can't speak for CSA's road cycling involvement, but in MTB, in my province for instance their involvement is zero. I know of enough anti-CSA people to start a whole new organization. What is CSA gonna do if we start our own new clubs, and organize races like WE want to do it and utilize the money like WE want to? They gonna stop <?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />USon>? I recently did a race which had just over a 100 entrants and was a charity event. After the race, I met the organizers and we got to the money issue and talked about how much the charity actually gets out of the race. Then the topic of CSA arose and they told me what CSA enforced on them as organizers... fees etc. etc. In the end... CSA did not send an official or anybody to the race, they didn't contact anyone, they didn't have a banner up, they took the money, and they forced the organizers to do things CSA's way and the charity got almost nothing out of it... 2009 was the 10th anniversary of this race... it's clearly stood the test of time without CSA... In another race, I had to 'give' 10% of my prize money back to the organizers, collecting on behalf of CSA!!!! So they advertise a race with R15 000 or whatever prize money for the win, but none of the riders actually get the prize money advertised... or did this organizer pay his CSA 'fees' by subtracting from the winner's prize money? I am registered with CSA.... I only register to start in the front group in K2C... Will I register in 2010? I'm not sure, because we might decide to completely stay away from the races we normally do and start organizing our own series of events. We've got enough support to seriously consider doing this. Will we exclude registered CSA riders from our events..? NO.. we won't - because our idea is to give back what you payed for... CSA is an anonymous invisible organization when it comes to mountain biking in the Eastern Cape... It?s time for a revolution? like I said? I don?t mind paying for something if I can see what I?m actually buying? Brighter-Lights2009-09-07 11:59:30