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For every scientific study "proving" that LCHF is harmful I can provide another "proving" the exact opposite. If high saturated fat diets are as harmful as the popular media and conventional wisdom would like us to believe the Inuit people should not reach the age of 20. (Their diet is roughly 80% fat and 20% protein). I am more inclined towards a paleo type of diet. I eat lots of leafy green vegetables and salad, covered with butter or olive oil. I consume coconut oil and fish oil on a daily basis. I try to eat grassfed beef and mutton with all the fat. I also eat liver and afval (tripe) on a regular basis. I eat lots of free range eggs from my own flock of hens. In winter I make biltong and droë wors from beef and venison. I don't eat any kind of grains or grain products. I eat a limited amount of fruit and stick mainly to berries in season. At the moment I also include some figs, prickley pears and pomgrenates since they are in season and grow almost wild and organic on the farm. I treat all fruit as natures candy and restrict myself. I would eat fruit only after a workout. At the moment nothing beats an ice cold and sweet prickley pear after a hard and warm ride. My ratios on this diet is roughly 60 F; 30 P; 10C on a calorie basis. My lipid profile improved, my weight dropped, energy levels improved, pain due to hiatus hernia vanished, heartburn gone, mood improved, energy levels constant through the day, sleep improved. (Should I continue?) How could this be bad for me? I don't follow a dogma. I started to experiment with reduced carbs about 18 months ago and after about 6 months I stumbled upon the original LCHF thread on the hub and started to incorporate the principles. I am convinced that a diet high in good quality fat, natural green leafy vegetables, meat, fowl and eggs are much healthier than conventional wisdom's low fat processed carb diet. It has been said over and over on this thread: "Not all carbs are bad and not all fats are good" A last word on conventional wisdom, it is always conventional but not always wise. After all according to conventional wisdom of 400 years ago the earth is flat and at the centre of the universe.

I also like my morning coffee a lot, so I don't do the full bulletproof thing. I find about two tablespoons of organic virgin coconut oil and a teaspoon or two of heavy cream to enhance and bring out the taste of my home roasted brew.

@ Deanbean With regards to the homemade butter making process. How do you get the remaining buttermilk out of the butter? We wash it out with cold water and a wooden butter paddle. Is there a shortcut to this? As this is the part of the process my wife complains about the most.

Lot of people on this thread better qualified than me to answer your question but here is my 2c worth.1. A calorie is a calorie with regards to weight loss, even on LCHF. With the possible exception of MCT oils like coconut. 2. For weight loss you want a 500 kcal daily deficit. Only way to make sure about this is to count calories in vs calories out. Apps like myfitnespall very handy in this regard. 3. Are you eating enough green vegetables and salads? I find my greens cooked with butter or drenched in olive oil very satiating. Hang in there! Remember what Stephen Covey said: "Nothing tastes as good as thin feels"

No neither will regress to HC again. Both healthy and active thanks to their lifestyle.

Same thing that happened to Tombeej if you know what happened to him. We all miss both of their valuable input.

Two things that worked for me:1. You don't mention dairy so maybe not applicable to you but, milk or cream in coffee and tea and some Greek yoghurt and a few chunks of hard cheese quickly added "unnoticed" calories to my diet. 2. Might want to check your daily calorie intake with the help off an app like myfitnesspal. Only way to make sure if you are under or over eating. Hang in there the weight loss will kick in soon. Any way as htone used to say, weight loss is actually only a small part of the health benefits of LCHF.

I never noticed more sweating when I went on LCHF Jan 2013, but I certainly had to pee a lot more. Even to the point of getting up once or even twice at night. Can't quite remember how long this carried on? About 3 or 4 weeks I think. I am also much lighter on water on the bike these days.

Leave them. If I had to pull out every thorn and duwweltjie after every ride... eish! Lots of duwweltjies between the maize fields and in the veld.

Hi Dean At about this time last year I was in the same predicament in terms of just about a month into LCHF and doing my first race since starting LCHF. It was the bieliemielie at Reitz. Perhaps my experience would help you decide: For starters Reitz is a lot flatter than Stutterheim, but lots more rolling hills than Bothaville where I hail from. I decided to do the 70 km on water alone. The good thing is I had the same energy and legs at the end as I had in the beginning (which was not a lot unfortunately). But I felt that I could easily do 50 km more at my pace. Humiliating to say the least being passed by a lot of people you know you should be beating. (JCZA on the day almost caught me and he was doing the 120 km. But then the man is a machine!) Anyway I did another couple of races afterwards on water alone and I might have improved somewhat but not massive by any means. I always had the same energy and legs at the start and finish, but finished about 10% to 15% slower than my training partners with similar fitness levels. I read on this thread how JC was training and racing and started to follow suit. The only difference I would make is go strict LCHF even up to and including breakfast before the race. Breakfast would be something like bacon and eggs or scrambled eggs and cream with coconut oil and cream coffee. The last 2 hours before the gun I would have nothing but water. With 5 min to go I would have a gel and then fuel with roughly one bottle of slightly diluted energy drink and one gel per hour. In October last year I did Berg&Bush with this regimen and it worked pretty well. Staying LCHF on a stage race away from home is quite a challenge but I tried to avoid carbs between stages as far as possible. After the very hot first stage I had a beer lying in the cool waters of the Tugela and the evening of day 2 I gave in to one of my biggest temptations in life: chocolate brownies. Apart from that pretty low carbs for the 3 days. I was pushed beyond my comfort zone by a young racing snake of a partner 30 years my junior and rode the entire 3 stages with average heartrate in excess of 85%. I have experimented with carbs as part of my pre race breakfast, but then I would feel pretty flat for the first 45 minutes to an hour. (Insulin spike causing my body to not know where the energy for the day would be coming from?) Anyway with a lingering and niggling knee injury my days of trying to keep up with the front guys in my starting group seems to be over, but I would be pleased if I could carry on like this and finishing each race or stage without feeling to buggered. Hope my tale will help you somewhat.

I am with JC on this. I think once fat adapted extra MCT like coconut should not make a difference. Useful to kickstart ketone production after a lay off though: "There are a couple ways to kickstart ketone production, if that’s what you’re after. You can increase your intake of medium chain triglycerides, as found in coconut products. Since MCTs don’t show up in cell membranes and never really appear in adipose tissue, they go directly to the liver to be converted into acetyl-CoA for energy. Remember how the acetyl-CoA-ATP pathway can be overwhelmed, thus spurring the creation of ketones? That’s what eating MCTs can do – increase ketone production. Use more coconut oil and fewer long-chain saturated fats (which do go into cell membranes, can show up in adipose tissue, and are less likely to overwhelm the liver’s ability to make ATP), like animals fats, while you get adjusted." From Mark Sisson in Mark's Daily Apple

I think it might prove useful for a non and semi fat adapted athlete, but not for a fully adapted individual. Might be wrong though?

Some guys (and gals) pop anti inflammatory and pain killers like smarties while participating in endurance events. I have never taken any pain killers or NSAID's to get through an event or a stage. My question is: are all kinds of NSAID's a big no no? What about pain killers which are safe and which should be avoided at all costs?

Not sure why Crede would use different companies for different provinces. I received my third container of 25l VCO today from Bigfoot Express, no problems.

Depends on where you get your mutton from. Up in Gauteng there are a lot of sheep feedlots like south of Alberton and north of Pretoria also Devon. If it is not from the Karoo or southern Freestate chances are good that they were raised at least partially on maize or harvested maize paddocks.

Hey man welcome!!! Great to have you on board. Now we are two farmers, at least that I know off.

Rather smoke some of the grass... Flying home sure beats pushing home.

Page 1: "PLEASE NOTE This tread is for LCHF ONLY If you have a discussion on Ray Peat or High Carb start your own tread please." Nuff said.

I am no doctor and might be grilled by Latent and co, but are you taking in enough sodium (salt)? I have normal to fairly low BP and feel the dizziness after a long hot ride. A salty broth normally sorts it out for me within half an hour.

https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/125843-lchf-low-carb-high-fat-diet-ver-2/Best fred on the hub! Changed my life completely, it just makes so much sense. I started with reduced carbs on 4 Jan 2013 and full LCHF from about middle Feb 2013. Never felt better! Lost decent amount of weight, energy levels are up, no more heartburn, sleep better etc etc.

Great list Mr Winter! I would like to add one name, perhaps he did not have the technique either batting or bowling, and perhaps his stats don't show him to be one of the greats especially in the test arena, but from a sheer entertainment aspect and his ability to change the course of a match within an over, batting or bowling one Lance Zulu Klusener.

The producers code on both labels are 12, hence same producer.

Some fresh produce prizes are much more volatile than others. Prime examples would be potatoes, tomatoes and onions. Demand do not fluctuate a lot seasonally but supply do as things like frost, hail, drought and the normal seasonal fluctuations due to winter can cause havoc with supply at a very short notice.

The input cost of the producer, in this case the farmer, could not be held responsible for sudden price increases of foodstuff because the supermarket would have entered into a contract with a supplier or big farming operation months ago. The price WW would have paid for their watermelons would have been fixed about 6 months ago. Such a contract would stipulate things such as price, quality, quantity and date of delivery. So even if the prizes of seed, fertilizer, labour and chemicals rose by 50 % in the last month it should not have an immediate effect on food prizes. I said should... it gives the big retailers a nice excuse to put prices up immediately though. Watermelons are now hitting the market big time as producers in areas subject to frost in August and September are flooding the market, hence the seasonal drop in prices. Supply and demand. With regards to clamp down on imported food: All we as producers ask is to be placed on a level playing field with our heavily subsidized EU, American and Latin American counterparts. We don't want government grants we just seek import tariffs to protect our local industries and provide job and food security for our nation. Maize prices are actually expected to drop as can be clearly seen on the saffex futures. The January contract for white maize closed today at R2930.00 while July closed at R2210. Their is currently a bit of a short squeeze in the market as exports were good and physical stocks are tight. The market is clearly expecting a good crop and that the squeeze will be lifted. The CBOT price of maize which dictates prices all over the world are also well down from its record highs of about a year ago as America is yet again harvesting a bumper crop and world supply and demand numbers are returning to normal levels.

I guess the old debate of cricket lovers all over the world would flame up again over the next few weeks namely: Who is/was the best all rounder in test cricket of all time. Since I started following this great sport in the 1970's there have been some great names aspiring to this title. The 70's 80's and early 90's seems to have delivered a rich crop with names like Kapil Dev, Ian Botham, Imran Kahn and Richard Hadlee springing to mind. More recently we have had names like Andrew Flintoff, Chris Cairns and even our own Shaun Pollock. They were all great all rounders, and with the exception of one or two perhaps would have all made their national teams with either bat or ball... and yet they all pale in to insignificance when compared to Sir Garfield Sobers and King Kallis. Due to our political past we South Africans only had glimpses of the great Sobers in action. One thing that is obvious was how much he enjoyed what he was doing. Being West Indian from Barbados should explain a lot as this is how they live their lives in general. Another thing that is obvious is his pure talent that allowed him to play his calypso style cricket. One almost had the impression that even though he obviously enjoyed what he was doing on the field, and that he was very good at it, he would not allow cricket to dominate his social life. On the other hand Kallis has always been the ultimate professional, putting in the extra hours of training, visiting the gym and in general living the disciplined live of a modern professional sportsman. So who was the greatest? So difficult to compare these two as their careers is 40 to 50 years apart. Looking at statistics one has to listen to your mind and say Sobers. Being proudly South African my vote goes for the King! PS I know it is difficult to pick the right moment to end such a magnificent career, but I would have loved to see him end it after the up coming series against the Aussies. I just wonder what the Aussie press would make of his decision to end his career at this moment... They like to hang that big C tag around our neck