sawystertrance

Typical biker. Wants the best of all worlds. You don't like predictable and bleh but don't want to pay workshop fees either. Make up your mind, man. Actually, I realise you mean predictable and bleh with regard to the ride as opposed to service costs, right? So I agree with lyslexic above. Go for an exotic - or an old Kawasaki 500 two-stroke triple. Now that will wake you up! And no computer to reset.. Edit: Grammar

Got to say, although free speech is necessary, to be offensive just for the sake of it is somewhat anti-social. I'm not at all sympathetic to religion but the principle of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" has great merit. Just because one is able to shrug off offence does not mean it is cool to offend others just for the fun of it.

Here's his: And here's mine...

Love that bike of yours. A Guy I know also has one but still with the weird looking thing at the back to hold the number plate. One thing I note is how quiet it is. you done something about that?

I'm not sure that the KTM would work out cheaper by enough of a margin to warrant buying it on that basis. All bikes cost and are a luxury. you buy it because it has one or more characteristics that appeal to you. Yes, of course price is a factor but I don't think it is the decider. Other opinions here? And perhaps an annual running cost for each bike is a more accurate way of assessing what you're in for, rather than individual items.

If it's the service interval you're wanting to set, try here: Something not in the manual. The next service due is shown on the matrix display when you first turn on the key. To reset the km or months until next service - hold the up and down buttons and turn on the ignition - continue to hold the up and down buttons until the display cycles through all the menus - continue to hold the up and down buttons when the setting menu is reached - after a few seconds the settings menu will change to allow you to choose the kms and months until next service. - You can now let go of the up and down buttons - Use the "set" button to increase the numbers. Keep going and the kms and months will cycle back around to 0 if you go past your choice. There is a slightly simpler procedure - Turn on ignition, push up or down to clear the 'Service' warning, then go the the Settings page. Now hold the up/down buttons - a new menu will appear allowing reset of the date or miles to the next service. On my 2014 1190R, I did not have to push the up/down buttons first before turning on the ignition. I had to go through the service reset procedure because the dealer 'forgot' to set the proper time and date on the computer (set at 2013). When I entered the correct date and exited the menu, the computer immediately thought the bike was due for service. http://www.ktmforums.com/forums/adventure/22770-resetting-service-interval-1190-adventure.html

Do you not keep an owner's manual which you keep updated? Not planning to re-sell?

Ah, Don't know, sorry.

Eh? What about it?

I guess you pay for the backup as well. you change your own oil, make a mistake and you sit. I guess the dealer has to factor all those ancillary costs in. I'm sure they're insured against that type of thing and that costs. Plus the costs of setting up the coffee shop..

Ok, That gives me a point of reference. I recently had an oil change at 15K kms and it cost me R1500. Seems BMW isn't that much more expensive, if at all.

Woo, I don't know. I have a GSA 1200. Going in Wed for a 20K service so I could tell you after that. So far, it hasn't been expensive and Donford help when they can with discounts and such. All I can say is that when I was looking to buy a bike, I went to KTM in Paarden Eiland and when they din't have a 1290 demo, I asked them to let me know when they got one , and I never heard back from them. I reckon pricewise parts and service would be similar although some here with more knowledge than me would be able to be more accurate.

Haha Bigtoe, I wondered what that MTB was doing here...

Update..

Play together, stay together and all that. Great development and lots of fun in future. Just ride safe. 7 passes road would be a good start, no?

Nee man, they are yellow.. Take a look.... https://www.google.co.za/maps/@-34.0737424,18.3654715,3a,75y,305.86h,77.66t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1snEfpPpWY0qeBjmqonfeKRA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DnEfpPpWY0qeBjmqonfeKRA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D155.94362%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

I hope this opens up for you... http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=223624.0

Seaforth yesterday

Hi, Yes I agree. There is a guy on another forum I belong to who does a lot of trans-Africa offroad travel and he swears by his KTM 500. He has some spectacular photos to prove it. For example: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=222953.20

Yes, I agree that the GS is heavy but I can honestly say that you do get used to it and because the weight is low down, it is easy to handle and does not feel heavy when riding, except that perhaps it is not as quick to change direction as a lighter bike. I'm comparing the Honda to my bike which is an Adventure and it felt so much narrower than mine although I like the angle of my tank and the wind protection it gives me. I agree with your choices - both great bikes and the Yammie in particular looks great. Different riding options though and currently I spend most of my time on tar so the GS suits me. I even commute on it which is not using it to its potential but it was a one-stop solution for me. Do you currently have a bike?

It's also a great bike but I somehow get the feeling that the BM is better suited to the tar. Haven't ridden the AT but that's the impression I get anyway. I have looked at a few and they are so light and narrow compared to the beat I ride. Things in the BM's favour - for me anyway - are big tank(I get about 500 kms per tank), big screen protection and shaft drive. But, if you had to but the AT, you wouldn't go wrong, that's for sure. I think you should try to be clear about what riding you want to do and then choose the weapon for it.

Very nice bike and I took one for a ride when looking to buy a dual sport. I was bothered by the vibration at 100kph and when going up through the gears so despite it being a great bike, I moved on since I think I would like to be doing some freeway travel. I ended up buying a 1200 Adventure and so far am happy with the decision. Coming from a four cylinder 650 road bike, I love the torque. Sounds like it would suit you so I advise you to ignore the BMW bashers and take one for a test ride. With missus on the back for thorough testing.

Sent packing by Rossi's mini-me mate? Does that even count? And how do you know why Marquez went there? Perhaps it was damage limitation but you can't assume that. Give credit where it's due. And again, to suggest he was expecting a warm welcome is just sidelining the issue. He went to apologise. Fact. That is an admission of guilt and acceptance of responsibility. And an answer to Steven Knoetze's point.