Let's view the recent change from SACF to CSA as that of Dictatorship to Democracy. If you view history with these happenings you will find a couple of things 1. Some confusion as this sudden freedom brings out much debate and little immediate answers. 2. The oppurtunist Capitalists that will step in and use the new insecure system to gain as much advantage as possible( eg East Block Tycoons) 3. Some old gaurd aspect that hold on to the "old regime" and way of things and somehow get thmeselves dug in to some place of descision making( not sure, but maybe this is the aspect faced in this topic of discussion) Some new democracies become farces and fall into new dictatorships with control from both the Old regime types dug into various backround roles as well as the Capitalists who have ridden the wave of oppertunity and make their buck. What to do? Any actions do not pay off as action must equal cause. Mass action in cycling equals= Rec riders. Dedicated action and involvement= Lic top level riders. Discussion on the Hub okay, but only after YOU have got involved, participated and ask the questions at the relevant places and then aiming to gather feeling or additional info from other sources( forum on The Hub). It is a shlep, I know, but the best way. a while back Andrew went to great trouble to mobilise a riders association which would have had a designated spot on all descision making meetings, etc. Not enough teams, managers and riders came to the party. So we let it slip and gave a way out for the Old regime types or any possible new Capitalists. CSA( Carinus, David and Lawrence) invited and gave us the chance, but we did nothing with it. And if you say you did not know about it, you answer your own question on level of your involvement.... I have been to many meetings and not many talking here are involved or tried to be involved in the Elite side of the sport, but many are vocal when the sh*t hits the fan. Are we all going to be part of the solution and help, Cherise, Yolandi, David,Bradley, etc before this happens, or run away and proctect our own little thing and then come out when we hate the next descision made and post ten pages full when it could be to late..... Successful Democracy = Participation in it ( and we South Africans hate that.....)