GoLefty!!

I wonder under what nom de plum tortollini will pop up under next

Holy carp their lawyer suggests reselling a fake at an even higher market value that the goods is worth. Is he a real estate agent on the side?

More expensive than a Polo Vivo. You can mobilise 4 people with that kind of money for probably less energy consumption. bicycle is only green if its ridden a lot

you can walk into any bike shop and order any cycling product. OP said he had been buying from them for 5 years so it was the relationship that drove the purchase. Your question is irrelevant btw.

yeah or if pronounced correcly , Alay va Alease

No because even if the frame came from the same factory or even out of the same moulds, at some point in the production it was rejected as having not met the quality standards for a Pinarello. That can be due to a number of reasons / production flaws. Its only a Pinarello if it passes all the quality assurance tests and standards. THAT is what you pay for, even if it is a little excessive.... A Pinarello gets a serial number because it met those standrads. That's why its a Pinarello. A similar frame without the serial number did not, even if it says Pinarello on the down tube. its even scarier if the frame still has to be painted because it means that it likely did not even meet the production standard i.e. its dangerous as hell to ride as it it is likely to fail. The only way Pinarello can effectively stampe ths out is to move production back in house, but then the profitability takes a knock and investors don't like that! Fake Fakes are copies. Genuine frames are taken, cleaned up and a mould is made up of the frame. The mould is then used to manufacture fake frames but generally these frames will have obvious blemishes as finishing a mould (especially the polishing) is a very labour intensive process and therefore not cheap either if you want to manufacture a lot of fake frames. tooling and moulds for carbon bike frames are also very expensive to the point that making a mould means there's little point in copying a frame that way. Its much easier to take a reject and complete it with generic finishing kit (bb cups, headset, dropouts, cable guides etc)

Alizee, yeah baby put me on that list. Specialised will never see a dime of my money. Pity NeilPryde doesn't want to take them on but having been involved in other sports where they market products its just not their corporate style.

there are different weaves o carbon fibre. http://calfeedesign....f-carbon-fiber/ and http://www.yoeleo.com/weave Plus these are available in Plain or twill weaves. Each distributes load differentlyand are laid up on different bias compared to the other

Chaps, A real Dogma wit Super Record EPS and Lightweight Meilenstein wheels will set you back just shy of R200K!!! http://www.sigmasport.co.uk/item/Pinarello/Dogma-651-Think2-Super-Record-EPS-Road-Bike/24SG?wmp=241

yes but it provides the best consistency of all the units. If I simply had to have a power meter on my bike again I would go for a crank based system, but the IDT simply can't be beat for consistency.

problem for Pina is that they would have to defend their copyright in many countries. Becomes expensive and they would have done this already. They place a serial number on frames that meets their standards for the frame, they distribute those frames globally via distributors they appointed. They also make the market aware of the problems surrounding fakes. Thats a lot of work already. Going after a factoryin China is going to prove impossible. Just ask BMW GmbH.

indoor trainer.

Doesn't really solve anything as the real problem is the continuous supply of the "fake" frames and components. Pinarello can nail the shop for brand copyright infringement, put them out of business but there's probably 10 more shops out there doing the same thing. Making an example of one is a deterrent but the problem real problem lies with the endless supply of people who will knowingly buy a fake because its a cheap way to look a certain part.

IMO the Giant is better quality and better value for money. Specialized bikes will b built by Giant in 2015. Must be a reason..

I agree, but a degree of honesty from the retailer is required...

Indeed it should be awesome experience. In 2010 I Order my dream bike from Mr.LOOK, a 585 Optimum. I liked the classic LOOK, I liked the geometry, even had my finger on order with Van NIcolas for a full custom I designed myself, but thansk to their dithering I found that the 585 Optimum had very similar geometry that I as after. I spome directly to Mr.LOOK and nominated my LBS (who was a bit reluctant to sell me anything other than a Spec.....). MR LOOK informed it would take about3-4months for my fram to arrive, would I mind riding his bike till I received mine...!???? Heck ok I was expecting a older machine, instead he lone me his 595! My frameset arrived about 3.5months later and I assembled it myself. Thats what the experience should be like. On Surround Sound, I once sat in the Praalder, Theresiastraat (Den Haag) for an entire Saturday listening to various combo's.Not once did the salesman loose patience. Even ordered coffee and sandwiches while we played. I walked out with a full set of Mordaunt Short Declaration speakers and NAD AV kit. There is good honest service in the world, just not at CS.

While bike manufacturers continue to seek cheap labour in China and top dollar on the retail floor, rejects will continue to filter out of the side doors of those factories. If anyone thinks a Chinese factory destroys its salable rejects they're living in lala land. They throw nothing away that has value and rejects do have value.

another fake bike vendor then?

and hackers see it as a right of passage to call themselves mountain bikers. Fact is it is just a very well organised, televised and marketed events that has created an appeal that justifies very high entry fees. Kind of like that exclusive night club that still sells Black Label but has a few more neon coloured lights than other clubs. If it wasn't well run it would not be seeing its 12th edition in 2015

Now that sounds like a threat....

I think the OP was a class monitor in junior school

So with all the massaging this thread took, will there be a happy ending?

ya but how many repeat views...?

big reason why Specializedis moving production to Taiwan this year for next years models. More control over what happens with their moulds

Its a bit like whenever there is a massive petrol price hike or something goes wrong in the petroleum industry the media films in front of a Shell branded service station even if the matter has nothing to do with Shell. Its also likely they interviewed someone at CL for insight into the problem. There are few store that carry as much stock as CL and therefore a good story can be created without having to travel very far.