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That doesnt make sense. The winningtime will still be the winningtime. For the second starting group to beat the first group it is something that will happen so rarely. (You have a better chance of getting an amazing seeding from the PPA). Something would normally have to go wrong in the elite bunch for something like that to happen. The SV won the westcoast express last year. But I believe that the elites were forced to stop at one point? But otherwise, at a large league event the people that are in the front bunch will all be the top cyclists.

exactly. They have been doing it screwed up for the past two years. They need a clap, not more time.....

So what are we going to do? Niklas, you are pretty good with the whole statistical thing. Do you think you could work out a simpler plan to start with? Lets get some ideas going here. As cyclists (and not just pen pushes in the ppa office) and on a forum like this where we have everyone from pros to fun riders can give there input on how they would like things to work. That will be the best way to do this. If we dont come up with a better way for it to work things will never get any better.

We are soon going to face a big problem. If a new strong rider starts out (elite quality) he will move up through the rankings fairly quickly. But once he hits F group or so he is going to get stuck there. He wont be able to join league (as you need to have a D seeding) With them adjusting the winners time, I cant work out their stupid new formula, I often used to see the winners of a race ending up with a B seeding for the ride. Where does that leave everybody else then? The effect will ripple down and it will mean that the poor elite rider will be stuck in F forever. Yes, they can do a "special" re-seeding for him. But that just shows how bad the seeding system really is. We need a flat seeding system that does not adjust winning times. Needs to work more like the super seeding system. One thing I really really dont agree with is adjusting races where the pros who win the argus are winning those races. No one is EVER going to do it faster than them so why the heck adjust their time? Especially for the national level races where we have the countries best riders racing. Just take a look at some of results how they have been adjusted. Actual time | Race | New adjusted time 2:44:55 99er 02:37:10 2:38:53 medalion 02:32:14 2:51:52 simonsberg 02:48:04 2:23:58 burger 02:22:58 Look are the 99er time. Disgusting. Almost a 8 minute difference. We had the countries best riders doing it as well. (Evans and George were there), very difficult and over 1100 riders. The person who won it may have even a C seeding for the race, where he should actually have a 0 for it. What can we do about this? Surely us as paying members should be happy with the way that the seeding works? I dont know, but I think we need some brain storming around a new model that will work for everyone. PPA has its public meetings once or twice a year. With them being a NPO alot of its decisions come from a board of ppa members. Ideas?

There is no rush for them to update the seedings now as it is now MTB season, so seedings dont really matter. At least it will be done by june/july when we have to renew otherwise they cant issue us new numbers. But even that is another issue. Didnt they take like two months last time to give out the new numbers? Last year I renewed my membership like on the day it expired. It then took them another two months to send the number. I think I will hold onto my pennies this time.

Flip, I dont want to know how many rattles may come from doing this.

There is no other alternative..... Monopoly man. They have sent us all to jail and they have kept their R200 in membership fees.......

Yep, Thats the same for me as well. If a person has been on the hub for a while and has quite alot of posts. You can generally see quite quickly if you are going to get taken for a ride or not.

Ok, im sorry, That was cruel. But that is kind of how I feel every first wednesday of the month when I go to their site and see zip.

They are UP

yep. My fd is dropped as much as it can be. Maybe I should shorten the chain even more? How do I know how long it should be? It only happens now and then. But as old murphey works, it is not normally at the best of times. Ok, I just want to run over this shifting thing again. If I am in 21 or 23 at the back and in 50 at the front am I more likely to drop it going into the 34 then? Opposed to being in 15 at the back while doing it or something. Surely the chain being at a bigger angle (15 or smaller to the 34) will make it jump off easier? Other question. With this fang thing. Will the chain fall onto the hook, or will it just not be able to move off the small ring towards the frame?

Where can I get one of these neat little plastic things? I want one. I also drop a chain now and then. Normally at the worst of times as well. Chain length is fine and so is limit screws. But the chain just seems to like hopping all the way down on my compact. I never dropped my chain on the 53/39 but now on the 50/34 it happens now and then.

If you are riding road then you dont really have much choice though. Alot of people are gatvol, so its time that we got some more offers on the table for road events.

Well, I dont know if pushing for more events will do much. Isnt this post about them being slack as to start off with? What we actually need is a winter league. That will secure events and it will give organisers the peace of mind that there will be people riding even if it is raining.

& also it is the last road race for the season so people feel they want to do it before hanging up their road bikes for a while. We really need to see more winter road events. I have got no problem with riding in winter. Even a bit of bad weather is fine. The rain is still better than the south easter anyway. What ever happened to those time trials that pedal power used to run?

Some people have been waiting to get reseeded before this weekends race so that they could give their seeding a nice little boost at the end of the season. We are going to have to wait some time again before this weekends race will be included as well. I was looking forward to going through, but I am not going to bother anymore. Been moving the last week. Late nights, loads of junk food. No exercise so I am in a very bad shape now.

We need another company to offer some competition to them now. We can see in SA that monopolies dont work. Lets get some more options on the table and then we will see them finally pull up their socks.

Haha, calf muscles..... rather the lack of them. Shaun Oakes, If you want to work your upper leg more than your calf, then move your cleat further back on your shoes. Oh, sorry I forgot. That wont apply to you. Awesome people only wear flip flops when they cycle. But with all of that said, If you are indeed going to try to cycle to prove how easy it is. Then good for you. Also, why dont you grace us with your awesomeness at the road race that we are having on the 10th of april? It is a 98km race with only one real hill. The pros should do it in a nice 2.5 hours or so. If YOU can finish it UNDER 4 hours and debunk the cycling is hard myth then I will pay for your race entry and timing chip, hey, I will even throw in a 6 pack as well for your good effort. here is the info mr. awesome. Malmesbury Rotary Funride Website Address www.malmesburyrotary.co.za ROUTE DESCRIPTION Road The route take cyclists out on the R311 towards Riebeeck Kasteel, turning right onto the R46 towards Malmesbury over the Botmas Kloof pass . Cyclists then turn left on the R45 to Wellington , left again at lady Loch. Then left on the R44 towards Hermon returning on a circle route back to Pulpit rock Winery (Riebeeck West). This is a very scenic route with a couple of challenges including a 3 km climb over Botmaskloof Pass. The 30 km route will be confirmed. MTB The 50 km route comprises of moderate climbs, single tracks, jeep tracks and farm roads in the direction of Kasteelberg. Riders can expect a challenging route, which should be attempted by fit riders. The routs offer scenic views of the Riebeeck Valley and the Swartland farmlands. Ensure that you have slime/tyre liners and enough spares with you. DIRECTIONS TO VENUE From Malmesbury, follow the R45 towards Paarl and Wellington. Turn left 5km from Malmesbury Towards Ceres/ Hermon/ Riebeeck Kasteel on the R46. Turn Left on the R311 and pass Riebeeck Kasteel and Riebeeck West- venue 2 km past Riebeeck West on the R311 towards Moorreesburg. Easy Entry Tickets accepted. NOTES With no road closure, cyclists must stay left of the median, and obey traffic signs, officials and marshals at all times. Children u/10 must be accompanied by an adult at all times.Easy Entry Tickets accepted. Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 Add to Outlook: Click Here Organiser: Rotary Club of Malmesbury - Contact No: +27 (0)22 4823473 Routes: 98 km @ 07:15 AM

What about putting some tri bars onto your mtb. After all, you are not mtbing anymore on it, so its not like you are scared of falling and trashing them. I have been thinking of doing this. I commute to work on my roadie, but because of the road condition at places I want to get off the road. So I have put slicks on my mtb and it is ready to be used for that. I think I will look into the tri bars thing as there is some pretty long stretches where getting lower down will definitely help big time.

Marius There is a group of guys in durbanville area or round abouts that rides together. You can catch them on this thread. https://www.bikehub.co.za/forum_posts.asp?TID=57077&PID=1135755#1135755

Does that include me. Hijack off. Well if you want to go on another hunt to find your stolen bike, then by all means. I can help you by drawing a pirates treasure map for you of where you may find your bike in DuNoon. But maybe stay away from the big X though. I think even cycling through a dodge area in a group could be dicey. What if your attackers have knives? or worse a gun? They will hold the whole group hostage and take everything then.

& then lick your hands clean?

WC, Ill PM you my address. Reply with your banking details and I will deposit the postage and a box of smarties. Shot man.

Thanks guys, You are probably right. Foam would compress, leather would start to go miff. Not quite sure if I want to sell it as this saddle really is great for the shorter ride. But weight weenie, if you want me to take that old one off your hands I am more than happy to. Where are you in the country? I will obviously pay for postage and I will give you a box of smarties for your kind offer. I'll keep you guys updated if I do anything By the way, Where is JB? Is he working at the epic?