32GI

[wolffm]

@wannabe, Hi there, I have posted many times on the board that only 3 Dis-Chems stock the product, Norwood, Benmore and Bluebird a national listing is coming in the next month only.

 

 

 

We do have a lot of other retail outlers stocking and we ship directly as well, remember this product was only launched April 1st, its still rolling out.

 

 

 

Hope this helps

 

 

 

all the best

 

M

[wolffm]

@mampara

 

 

 

I dont know the bars, I would need to look at the ingredients and % makeup. I agree with our earlier hubber, organic, and natural is the way to go, dangerous colourants and other non-natural additives are harmful. Our drink is child friendly we actually stay away from any harmful additives. I am a wellness and nutritional consultant, and I advocate health and natural eating before taking in any supplements, as after all they are ONLY supplements to a healthy diet.

 

 

 

all the best

 

M

[wolffm]

32GI 32Gi? COMRADES PROMOTION:

 

 

 

Any user of 32Gi? doing the comrades marathon will be able to use our seconding tables along route. All you have to do is:

 

1. Prove you are a 32Gi? user, send us the receipt, place of purchase and bar code to info@32gi.com

 

2. Send us your race number, name and a contact email

 

3. We will email you the details of where to get to us on route.

 

 

 

Join us at the EXPO from 27th-29th May

[AndreZA]

@mampara

 

 

 

I dont know the bars' date=' I would need to look at the ingredients and % makeup. [/quote']

 

 

 

does this help

 

 

 

Supplement Facts:

 

Serving Size:1 Bar (50grams)    

 

 per 100g  Per 50g Unit

 

Energy (kj)  788kJ  943 (?)

 

Fat (g) 2.8  1.25

 

Saturated (g)   0.5  0.25

 

Protein (g)  6.6  2.85

 

Energy (kCal)  192cal  86.5cal

 

Carbohydrates (g) 33.8  15.2

 

Dietary Fibre (g)  0.295  0.15

 

   

 

Ingredients

 

High fructose corn syrup with apple juice, oat flower, peanut butter, skimmed milk powder, soya protein isolate, invert syrup, maltodextrin, dextrose, fructose sugar, vegetable glycerine, soya lecithin, citric acid, salt, vitamin & mineral blend, natural identical flavour.

[ianrodger]

shameless dodgy marketing here, and appalling website content aside, there are some serious questions regarding the validity of the fundamental claim, which is that cycling performance was imroved using 32gi.

Sucrose/fructose is nothing incredibly new, as Asker Jeukendrup has been busy with various combinations of glucose, sucrose and fructose for some time, and has published extensively on the topic.

 

Before y'all get too excited by marketing hype, here are my reservations, as just mailed to whoever is behind 32gi.

 

 

I am interested in your product, specially the claimed research that showed it was superior to a maltodextrin. No details are given, just a claim that ?cyclists performed much better? on 32 gi. Please could you be specific as to what ?much better? entails?  I see you provide no references to substantiate your claims. Please could you send me the abstract of the study that was done by the University, or give me the details of where this study was published (or relevant contact details at the university) so that I can view the study. Could you give me a brief description of the protocol of the study?<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

 

I am intrigued by the graph of blood sugar you present, as the difference in the rise of blood glucose between a hi-gi drink and your drink is very little, i.e less than 1.5 mmol ? was this statistically significant? Was this measured at rest or during exercise? Looking at the small increase in blood glucose with the high-gi drink, I am certain this graph shows the effect on blood glucose of the drinks administered at the start of exercise, but this seems to be contradicted later on the curve where the blood glucose concentration drops below the resting value ? which does not happen during exercise . What was the dose of the initial administration? Also, I see you have data points on your 32 gi line but no data points on your high gi energy line. Does the high gi energy line come from actual data of yours or is it merely a stylised representation of the effects of a high gi drink? If it is from your own data then the data points need to be shown in similar fashion to your 32 gi line. I conclude that this is a stylised representation of the blood glucose concentration trend, and as such, opens you to the likelihood of someone filing a false advertising claim against you with the Advertising standards Authority.

 

What concentration is the drink when made up? That is, how many grams of carbohydrate per 100 ml of drink, and what is the recommended intake rate?

 

There is a glaring error in your section on diabetics, where you state that 32 gi does not cause insulin spiking in diabetics. It appears it is news to you that the condition of diabetes means that there is an insufficiency of insulin, and that no amount of high or low gi drink will precipitate an insulin spike - !!

 

I am also fascinated by your statement that 32 gi is non weight bearing. Clearly whoever wrote this has no idea what weight bearing means, so I advise you to look it up and correct the text.

[Regard]

Wow Ianrodger, you are the man!!!

 

So if it is so crapy why just not ignore it. Don't you have better things to do?

 

If you are not going to buy it why bother with this pseudo intelectual email?

 

What ever........

[Robotech]

Sounds Gr8... Will try and source from Dischem' date=' any other stockists in Cape Town?[/quote']

No use going to Dischem. They do not stock it at present. Most do not know of the product and some only heard about it and do not know when they will stock it. Believe me' date=' I've tried most Dischem's in Cape Town/Bellville/Brackenfell/Durbanville area.

Would also like who besides Dischem stock it.

 

wolffm, not slating your distribution network, just frustrated as I'd like to get hold of the product to use it myself.

 

[/quote']

 

Hi there, I phoned Kotov's corner at the the Colosseum in Century city yesterday. they have the 1kg tub for R239...

 

 

[ianrodger]

Wow Ianrodger' date=' you are the man!!!

 

So if it is so crapy why just not ignore it. Don't you have better things to do?

 

If you are not going to buy it why bother with this pseudo intelectual email?

 

What ever........

[/quote']

Because if someone is going to make claims about the effect of a product, and those claims look dodgy, then i'd like to know it isn't phoney before coughing up for it. Also, fructose/sucrose/glucose energy drink combinations is a promising area of research, so it's not mere bashing - if you'd taken the time to read the post.

 

But if you're happy to buy a product merely on someone's say-so, then that's fine. The rest of us are more demanding.

 

 

[epoh]

Wow Ianrodger' date=' you are the man!!!

 

So if it is so crapy why just not ignore it. Don't you have better things to do?

 

If you are not going to buy it why bother with this pseudo intelectual email?

 

What ever........

[/quote']

 

He may have some valid opinions and be asking some valid questions?

 

I don't find Ian Rodger's post offensive. This is what open forums are all about - if you are prepared to put it out there you gotta be prepared to take what is coming at you. Just do so in line with the forum rules.

 

There is nothing wrong with a good debate and to get some perspective from various opinions.

[epoh]

Now I would like to see some answers 

[wolffm]

Hi Ian I sent you a very long email explaining everything, I would like to mention to the forum, because I felt this posting to be a little harsh.

 

Our product claims have been approved by FDA, CE, and our suppliers abroad who have done all the testing.

 

We have spent the past year making sure that all claims, all packaging conforms with all health regulations. We have had ministry of agriculture and health approval and we are compliant with the new regulations which need to be complied with by Feb 2011. Most of the other products out there, and I of course cannot mention names will have to either change their labelling, and in some cases remove products from the shelves due to non-compliance, and in some case finally the MCC will be clamping down on people making false claims. We have made sure that with 32Gi, all requirements have been met. The research has been done since 2007, and extensive research at that.

 

I hope this put some minds to rest and you are welcome to mail info@32gi.com if you have any questions or queries about the product.

 

 

 

Finally, we have 17 professional athletes, Endurance athletes using our product and performing brilliantly on it, we even had 2 ultra marathon records broken this past weekend on 32Gi, Chatsworth and Spar Breintjieshoogte, we hope to have Comrades marathon record broken this year as well. Athletes like this would not use our product if there was any chance of performance hampering, or illegal substances. It is approved for children.

 

 

 

all the best

 

M

[Face Plant]

to advertise your product on an open forum like this takes real faith in your product if you ask me, you know you are going to be interigated about every little aspect of the said product. and in my opinion wolffm has done a very good job thus far answering all the questions that has been posted.

why is it that if Lance armstong is paid top dollar to say he uses product x everybody runs out and buys it no question asked yet when a guy uses the internet as a marketing platform he get crucified by every tom dick and harry? i really dont understand this! its pretty simple really, if you have questions ask them, but if you want to hide behind a pseudonym and flame a guy for trying to make a living rather go to the for sale section buy yourself something nice and go for a ride!

 

PS i was quite impressed this morning when i had my 32Gi that i premixed last night and didnt find a orange stained waterbottle in the fridge

Face Plant2010-04-29 02:41:42

[Taps]

ianrodger's post is obviously from someone who has knowledge of how scientific studies should be conducted and his queries and points deserve answers on this forum. I applaud his post .

[ridr]

shameless dodgy marketing here' date=' and appalling website content aside, there are some serious questions regarding the validity of the fundamental claim, which is that cycling performance was imroved using 32gi.

Sucrose/fructose is nothing incredibly new, as Asker Jeukendrup has been busy with various combinations of glucose, sucrose and fructose for some time, and has published extensively on the topic.

 

Before y'all get too excited by marketing hype, here are my reservations, as just mailed to whoever is behind 32gi.

 

 

[font= Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-ZA>I am interested in your product, specially the claimed research that showed it was superior to a maltodextrin. No details are given, just a claim that ?cyclists performed much better? on 32 gi. Please could you be specific as to what ?much better? entails?  I see you provide no references to substantiate your claims. Please could you send me the abstract of the study that was done by the University, or give me the details of where this study was published (or relevant contact details at the university) so that I can view the study. Could you give me a brief description of the protocol of the study?<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

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[font=" Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-ZA>I am intrigued by the graph of blood sugar you present, as the difference in the rise of blood glucose between a hi-gi drink and your drink is very little, i.e less than 1.5 mmol ? was this statistically significant? Was this measured at rest or during exercise? Looking at the small increase in blood glucose with the high-gi drink, I am certain this graph shows the effect on blood glucose of the drinks administered at the start of exercise, but this seems to be contradicted later on the curve where the blood glucose concentration drops below the resting value ? which does not happen during exercise . What was the dose of the initial administration? Also, I see you have data points on your 32 gi line but no data points on your high gi energy line. Does the high gi energy line come from actual data of yours or is it merely a stylised representation of the effects of a high gi drink? If it is from your own data then the data points need to be shown in similar fashion to your 32 gi line. I conclude that this is a stylised representation of the blood glucose concentration trend, and as such, opens you to the likelihood of someone filing a false advertising claim against you with the Advertising standards Authority.

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[/font][font= Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-ZA>What concentration is the drink when made up? That is, how many grams of carbohydrate per 100 ml of drink, and what is the recommended intake rate?

 

[/font][font= Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-ZA>There is a glaring error in your section on diabetics, where you state that 32 gi does not cause insulin spiking in diabetics. It appears it is news to you that the condition of diabetes means that there is an insufficiency of insulin, and that no amount of high or low gi drink will precipitate an insulin spike - !!

 

[/font]I am also fascinated by your statement that 32 gi is non weight bearing. Clearly whoever wrote this has no idea what weight bearing means, so I advise you to look it up and correct the text.

Maybe you should do some more homework before posting like this -

 

1) Very briefly: You get type 1 and type 2 diabetes. They vary on age of onset and insulin dependence. Type 2 (the more common form) is often insulin resistent - they have high levels of insulin, but the body doesn't respond to it. They therefore require higher and higher doses of insulin to keep the blood sugar levels regulated. The high levels of blood insulin can be as damaging to the body, if not more damaging, than the high blood sugar levels.

 

2) What does sucrose/ fructose/ maltodextrin have to do with 32GI? This drink uses something completely different, unless I am terribly mistaken and misled.

 

3) Mark has been very open about giving any facts and proofs if you contact him (which I have done a few times) - he stated where the research was done etc a few times and it should not be very difficult to get all the research details if you try. No need to attack him or the product.

ridr2010-04-29 03:01:29

[Face Plant]

i agree his questions have huge merit but to say that this is shameless dodgy marketing here, and appalling website content etc is not necessary! my point is, will Ian come onto this post and say that all his questions have been answered if they have? i will be very impressed with him and people in general if that does happen. its nothing personal but generally people are very quick to place a impulsive post but very slow to apologise when they are proven wrong. just my opinion. i might have a different opinion as to how to rate a product especially something that costs R200 that could potentially be beneficial to your sport. i buy it and try it, i asked my questions about the product, i got my answers i bought the product and am trying it! if it doesnt work i will go back to my old energy drink

[ianrodger]

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Maybe you should do some more homework before posting like this -

 

1) Very briefly: You get type 1 and type 2 diabetes. They vary on age of onset and insulin dependence. Type 2 (the more common form) is often insulin resistent - they have high levels of insulin, but the body doesn't respond to it. They therefore require higher and higher doses of insulin to keep the blood sugar levels regulated. The high levels of blood insulin can be as damaging to the body, if not more damaging, than the high blood sugar levels.

 

very briefly, you are wrong. type 2 is characterised by normal or near-normal insulin levels, not excessively high levels as you claim, and in fact over time insulin production can be lowered in type 2 also. Read it up.

As for type 1, well, with no insulin to speak of in this condition, i fail to see how a low gi drink has any relevance.

 

 

2) What does sucrose/ fructose/ maltodextrin have to do with 32GI? This drink uses something completely different, unless I am terribly mistaken and misled.

 

Not a lot, as i discovered after asking; the reason for my mentioning it was that novel carbohydrates and mixes are a promising area of research, so hence my mentioning that mix as an example.

3) Mark has been very open about giving any facts and proofs if you contact him (which I have done a few times) - he stated where the research was done etc a few times and it should not be very difficult to get all the research details if you try. No need to attack him or the product.

The supposed proof has been extremely sketchy - just a few lines of text saying one group went faster on Palatinose - and I have already asked him for the details of this proof. Anyone that claims something without any proof is going to  - and should  - come in for some flak. My criticism is to do with the validity of the claims and supposed proof, not as a fun exercise to flame anyone.