32GI

[ridr]

Time to stop bashing Ian! This has gone the other way now. He made some very valid points.

[Zeps]

[ridr]

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Maybe you should do some more homework before posting like this -

 

1) Very briefly: You get type 1 and type 2 diabetes. They vary on age of onset and insulin dependence. Type 2 (the more common form) is often insulin resistent - they have high levels of insulin' date=' but the body doesn't respond to it. They therefore require higher and higher doses of insulin to keep the blood sugar levels regulated. The high levels of blood insulin can be as damaging to the body, if not more damaging, than the high blood sugar levels.

 

very briefly, you are wrong. type 2 is characterised by normal or near-normal insulin levels, not excessively high levels as you claim, and in fact over time insulin production can be lowered in type 2 also. Read it up.

As for type 1, well, with no insulin to speak of in this condition, i fail to see how a low gi drink has any relevance.

 

 

2) What does sucrose/ fructose/ maltodextrin have to do with 32GI? This drink uses something completely different, unless I am terribly mistaken and misled.

 

Not a lot, as i discovered after asking; the reason for my mentioning it was that novel carbohydrates and mixes are a promising area of research, so hence my mentioning that mix as an example.

3) Mark has been very open about giving any facts and proofs if you contact him (which I have done a few times) - he stated where the research was done etc a few times and it should not be very difficult to get all the research details if you try. No need to attack him or the product.

The supposed proof has been extremely sketchy - just a few lines of text saying one group went faster on Palatinose - and I have already asked him for the details of this proof. Anyone that claims something without any proof is going to  - and should  - come in for some flak. My criticism is to do with the validity of the claims and supposed proof, not as a fun exercise to flame anyone.

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Points noted.

 

Anyone else interested in diabetes needs to look into it a bit more (the above points were very brief) - not going to argue it here any further.

 

Your other posts were much more to the point. All valid points and I'm also interested to see the response you get

ridr2010-04-29 05:30:55

[wolffm]

Hi Guys

 

 

 

Shew, that was a huge load to take in.

 

 

 

- Let me be simple about 32Gi. Its a low Gi endurance energy drink. Which uses a functional carbohydrate which was once considered to be a source of sucrose/fructose but due to its properties has been changed now, and we are awaiting the new naming convention, which for us is good as we can remove any reference to sucrose/fructose.

 

If there is anything, anything we can provide you from an information perspective, from a research perspective, even if you want to speak to our elite athletes and coaches by all means just ask.

 

 

 

-Secondly please guys, our website is not even nearly complete, we have decided to hold off completion as we are going the viral marketing route and are having a huge revamp done on our facebook site 32GI, which will be the center of all our product information and marketing, to be launched shortly.

 

 

 

- We have as I mentioned 17 professional athletes using the product, and I see a lot of people mentioned our product being better for short distances, well, on the contrary, our pro athletes are all endurance athletes, none of them do short distance races, they specialize in long distance events.

 

 

 

- We had a lot of people at IM using our product, and the feedback was excellent, in actual fact out of the all the negative feedback = 2 people out of 180 or so when we analysed what they were saying and then looked at their nutrition before and during the event its easy to see where the issues actually were. I think most people having a bad day on a new supplement will definitely blame the supplement because after all what else could it be. You cannot use a product once and then say good or bad, with any product one can use it a number of times and then decide.

 

 

 

- Some products work for some and not for others, we are all unique and all different and we accept that. If you think our product sucks then so be it, it does not mean its not a decent product, it just means it does not work for you. When any pro athlete uses our product we dont go out there and pay them to switch or to be a face of our brand, we tell them straight up, only if this product works for you, and only if you believe in it, then we can look at taking the sponsorship further, but we are not a company that will give people 32Gi bottles to put something else into it.

 

 

 

- As for the diabetics, look guys, the feedback we are getting is from the diabetics alone, its not like we went out there and guinea pigged the diabetics for testing. The diabetes association of South Africa supports our drink as a standard energy drink for a diabetic, and for a carbo loading for a diabetic. They did not like the word endurance for a diabetic, because its known that these organisations will support high GI for diabetics. The diabetics using our product have come back and said wow, my sugar levels were stable, they did the prick testing, they know their bodies better than we do, and they gave us the feedback and it is not just 1 or 2 people we have had a whopping load of them trying it, simple as that.

 

 

 

- Finally, whats better from a nutrition point of view, to flood your body with a whopping load of glucose, and spike it, which in children or adults can lead to additional cravings, nausea, or depression, when the spike tapers off, or to give a non-spiking sustained energy release which is far more health beneficial. Its all we are trying to do, provide a energy stabilizer, which we believe is a healthy option. We dont add any funny stuff in, you want carnatine, you want protein, you want glutamine, you can add it in with pleasure.

 

 

 

- One more thing, this is something we have noticed and that is that people using our product who have good nutrition, especially those that cut out sugar completely get the most amazing results with 32Gi, their bodies are far more responsive and more efficient in utilizing the slow release of glucose. Its why some of our endurance athletes go great distances on a little product.

 

 

 

- We did mention if you not happy give it back to us, we are not out there to give you an unhealthy product, on he contrary we are out there giving u a product which we feel is healthy for the broader range of people.

 

 

 

I will let you know when our website is finalised, it does say under construction, the facebook revamp is coming first and then the website which has a totally different look and feel.

 

 

 

If you do have any real indepth questions I promise we will answer them, u can mail us, tell us what you want or ask what you want, we are not out there hammering other products, we do believe there is a place for the higher GI compounds, but we are coming from a different school of thought. If there are any competitors posting on this site, then at least tell us, because coming down on a product just because it threatens your market space is really a cowardly way of doing business, especially when we still advocate some of your products out there, and feel there is a good fit between us all.

 

 

 

Below I need to finally just add one reply from a female athlete who qualified for Hawaii and used our product, and this is from her directly.

 

 

 

Hey Mark

 

Just wanted to give you a run down of my race on Sunday with 32GI. I dont have yours or Deans cell no to call to THANK YOU for the most amazing product I have ever come across. All I can say about my race is that its thanx to my fuelling. I felt perfect the whole day.

 

Swallowed quite a bit of water in the swim so battled a little to get my drink down in the beginning but once my tummy settled it was all good, suppose thats part of long races. Used 32GI the whole bike, every 1h30 to 1h45 and on the last lap started with a few 32Gi chews. The only thing I ate the whole bike was 1 energy bar. Kept hydrated with water. The beauty of this product as well is the simplicity of taking it. I had my dad giving me a fresh bottle every lap and as soon as I got it I started drinking it to finish it over the next 15min.

 

On the run all I took in were the 32GI chews and sipped on water and coke. Finished feeling 100% in terms of energy.

 

Thanx guys for such an amazing product. 10h33 and finished strong.

 

Please could you pass this on to Dean and his wife.

 

Thanx again guys.

 

Cheers

 

Sam Spong

 

 

 

We have lots of these kinds of emails, just one of them i thought to share with you.

 

 

 

all the best

 

M

[mallo]

Well your IM lady confirmed the use has to be consistant for the long distances hence my posting earlier

 

 

 

'The beauty of this product as well is the simplicity of taking it. I had my dad giving me a fresh bottle every lap and as soon as I got it I started drinking it to finish it over the next 15min.'

[wolffm]

@Mallo, actually in Ironman the bike splits are long, remember any product has be consistent when using it, its just ours is every 2 hours not every 30-40 minutes. Our IM lady, was taking the bottle every lap, her times are posted below:

 

BOTTLE 1

 

BIKE SPLIT 1: 19.2 mi  19.2 mi (59:06)  19.49 mph

 

BIKE SPLIT 2: 37.2 mi  18 mi (50:47)  21.27 mph

 

BOTTLE 2

 

BIKE SPLIT 3: 56.4 mi  19.2 mi (1:00:44)  18.97 mph

 

BIKE SPLIT 4: 74.4 mi  18 mi (51:12)  21.09 mph

 

BOTTLE 3

 

BIKE SPLIT 5: 93.6 mi  19.2 mi (1:02:58)  18.30 mph

 

BIKE SPLIT 6: 112 mi  18.4 mi (53:32)  20.62 mph

 

 

 

TOTAL BIKE - 112 mi  5:38:19  19.86 mph  22

 

 

 

 

 

If you look a the times you will see that they are around the 2 hour mark just under meaning the product was taken in the perfect window period. Remember her bike ride was 5hours:38 minutes, absolutely nothing wrong with the way she took in the product, thats the recommended dosage.

 

 

 

all the best

 

Mark

[AndreZA]

So wolf, you mean I should not fill my 2l hydration bladder and continue drinking it on my 80km ride?

[wolffm]

Sorry, in response to Mallo, I noticed you are doing comrades. Agreed not many people enjoy running with a bottle. We have over 700 runners using our product. They package the powder in a little packet and mix at the water tables take down and keep going, some without even stopping. The nice thing is for distance running, you dont need to carry a whopping load of powder with you at all.

 

We also have chewies which we are releasing shortly.

 

 

 

and finally, best offer. If you are a 32Gi product owner, we are going to have seconding tables for all 32Gi users, all we need is proof of purchase, you give us your name and race number, we will give you a pre-mixed drink at the water table. We will have them every 15km apart, a total of 5 tables and clearly marked.

 

 

 

This is the service we are offering to our comrades customers, no charge at all. We are there to support you all.

 

 

 

all the best

 

M

[tyger]

hi wolff- i all previous long triathlon events, i've always had gi issues at start of run. how is this product different? considering i'm a big, slow guy.

 

[wolffm]

@mampara - Not sure how you are filling it.

 

 

 

Lets say you hold 2 litres of water in your bag and you put 4 servings of 32Gi into it. Then you need to make sure you are taking in at least 500ml per 2hours, so to be in the safe zone, 1:45 - 1:50 or so. No problem with it as long as you know you are taking in the right amount.

 

The issue I see here is that you might need more water than 500ml in this period so in that case, dilute the 32Gi more and ensure you take in more liquid over the period. I tend to take in a 750ml bottle per every 2 hours, thats my single serving.

[wolffm]

@tyger, I would need to understand your times, your pre and during race nutrition as well as your percentage effort etc.

 

What exact issues are you having at the run start?

 

 

 

tnx

 

M

[AndreZA]

@mampara - Not sure how you are filling it.

 

 

 

Lets say you hold 2 litres of water in your bag and you put 4 servings of 32Gi into it. Then you need to make sure you are taking in at least 500ml per 2hours' date=' so to be in the safe zone, 1:45 - 1:50 or so. No problem with it as long as you know you are taking in the right amount.

 

The issue I see here is that you might need more water than 500ml in this period so in that case, dilute the 32Gi more and ensure you take in more liquid over the period. I tend to take in a 750ml bottle per every 2 hours, thats my single serving.[/quote']

 

 

 

But you normally drink when you are thirsty. On the bike there is no time to work out that it is almost 2 hrs now so I need to have finished 750ml by then. I will mix 133g in the 2l of water. Start drinking probarbly 10km in and continue as I feel I am thirsty.

[tyger]

hi- i've tried another product- as breakfast, pre rece, every 31/2hrs have new fresh bottle, until end of bike. during the bike i had some gels, water and poweraid. swim finish 1:15 bike 6H45

at start of run feal nausious-vomit

effort was aerobic

[Dgas]

Has anybody replied if the product is available in Cape Town? You say it is suitable for Kosher and Halaal. Are there any animal products in it? In other words suitable for vegeterians/ vegans?

[wolffm]

@mampara,

 

 

 

Just some hydration advice, I dont drink when I am thirsty, by then its too late, you need to pre-empt that thirst feeling. I know my body well and will take in a certain amount of liquid every 15 minnutes or so, depending on the temperature, but I never get to the thirsty stage, you should try and find a balance where you take in enough never to feel thirsty ;-) just a handy tip. Thirst is the sign your body is in need of liquid but while exercising you are already getting rid of it, so at that stage you will need to take in most likely more than you think. The majority of athletes actually finish events sligtly dehydrated but not always to a major extent.

[wolffm]

@Tyger, to be honest if you are vomiting as you get onto the run it could be one of three most common things:

 

 

 

1. Picking up bacteria in the water on the swim, swallowing too much water can make you feel this way. This last IM a lot of guys swallowed too much water, and landed up pulling out or vomiting on the bike.

 

 

 

2. Too much glucose, putting too much into your system can also make you feel really nauseas especially if you miss the feeds, remember when you take in a gel, you have 30-40 minutes max to take in the next one, if you drop down and hit hyperglycemia stage you will feel terrible.

 

 

 

3. Dehydration - Can cause this was well

 

 

 

You really need to plan your race nutrition and try and really stick to it, consulting a sports nutrition expert would be my best advice in order to understand whats best.

 

 

 

M