GLuvsMtb Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 NO, it says that he doesn't attempt to run between the wickets anymore... thats why his scores stay lowan average of 40 in 2011 is still pretty respectable for a player that was perceived to have been in a slump. I actually have the % of runs scored as 4's and 6's to his total runs scored per season. Will process these sometime and tell you whether his boundary run ratio vs total run ratio has increased over time or not.
GLuvsMtb Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 (edited) I understand that his average is lower in the sceond innings, but factor in the difficulties of it and it is to be thought that he is a better second innings batsmen than most. Where did you get those stats? It would be interesting to compare him to an opposing opening batsman such as Cook (No.5 in rankings) and see the differences between 1st innings and 2nd innings. http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/47270.htmlI exported the detailed stats to excel, added a column for 1st / 2nd innings, sorted per innings and did the calcs. 10 minutes wasted, but so is most time spent on theHub... Edited March 16, 2012 by MorewoodMad
GLuvsMtb Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 OK so here it is: Ratio of runs scored in boundaries since 2002:year 2002 0.58021978year 2003 0.552587646year 2004 0.51465798year 2005 0.529292929year 2006 0.548148148year 2007 0.531810767year 2008 0.533816425year 2009 0.450704225year 2010 0.494335736year 2011 0.48447205year 2012 0.467005076
Gillie Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 I suppose you're not happy about his performance in the previous match either. Give the guy a break. Hi MichaelD He is a sucker for outside off... it was the end of the day, he didnt need to chase such a wide delivery.
Benjamin Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Problem with us as fans is we decide early on if we dig someone or not. Once you decide the player is dodge, whatever he does is judged with bias. Graeme is a prime example. Graeme can score 100 and some will say world class batsmen and others will say about time and actually was lucky and technique is dodge etc. We can't just judge each shot or innings on it's merit. Me included. Still rather have him in my side than play against him.
pastapouch Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Didn't like him from the beginning. where did he come from? And I lost even more respect when he didn't come back with the team to face the music. :cursing:
Shebeen Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Philander does it again,makes you wonder where the hell he was before he was picked.Now let's hope we can win this one.Go AB and the boys he was topping the averages in the supersport series.problem is there is such a massive gap between domestic and first class cricket that it is almost impossible to force an encumbent out of the proteas team if they are performing adequately at test level. jacques rudolph is mainly in the team because he scored MASSES of runs and it became impossible to ignore him.
Shebeen Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Didn't like him from the beginning. where did he come from? And I lost even more respect when he didn't come back with the team to face the music. :cursing: well maybe he didn't come back because he is sick and tired of trying to justify himself to ungrateful sods like you. he had an extremely *** world cup, but otherwise his record is top class. 2nd innings averages are normally about 75% of first innings. i think biff is far from perfect, but he gets a *** deal from the public. give him credit where it is due. the man got to bone minki before everyone else.
D-Mike Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Hi MichaelD He is a sucker for outside off... it was the end of the day, he didnt need to chase such a wide delivery.Fair enough, he made a mistake. Yet does he need to be lambasted everytime he makes a poor decision? Will you applaud as quickly when he does score runs?
GLuvsMtb Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 the man got to bone minki before everyone else.Not true. I got to her before him... at least I did in my head
Christie Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Imo Smith has a place in the test team. Except for Smith, we don't have another quality test opener. Pietersen have not done the job at the other end, and I'm afraid he will get even less runs against the England attack.Odi's is another matter. In tests, Smith can leave all the deliveries bowled accross him towards the slips, which negates his major weakness. In odi's, he has to chase them, because he has to keep the run-rate up in the first 10 overs. Secondly, I don't think Smith will be around for the next WC, it is time to start grooming a replacement. Levi springs to mind, and is worth a try imo. It still has to be seen if he has the shot selection ability to cope with new ball bowling in odi's, but I'm sure that can be coached into him by Gary & co before the next WC.
Christie Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 PS - perhaps Levi could fill the test opener slot like Warner does for Australia. It will take a lot of work to get him there, though. Perhaps he is better suited to the no. 6 slot for tests.
Gillie Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Fair enough, he made a mistake. Yet does he need to be lambasted everytime he makes a poor decision? Will you applaud as quickly when he does score runs? I will applaud yes. With the tour of England around the corner, he needs to sort it out, they will be targeting his offside and we need him to get those hundreds to beat the English at their own game !
Garfield2010 Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 First innings average = 50.94. 97 innings with 2 not outsSecond innings average = 47.71. 76 innings with 11 not outs. It is by implication much more difficult to get a not out in the first innings as an opening batsman as you would typically have to bat right through at least 2 days to set a decent score. Both of these were batting second with scores of 2 and 30 respectively. The score of 30 not out was against Australia in the 3rd test in Sydney (Jan 09) where Smith retired hurt. The score of 2 not out was later in the same season in Durban, also retired hurt. I also presumed that Smith is more of a second innings specialist, but the stats suggest otherwise. Love him or hat him, I'd rather have him play for us than playing against us. Factoring in that it is almost always much harder to bat in the second innings. The pitch is normally moertoe and the scoreboard pressure is also more (knowing that if you go out then its over) Most times also in the second innings you have to chase the game before declaring. In general the first innings is timeless and on a good pitch.
Garfield2010 Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 PS - perhaps Levi could fill the test opener slot like Warner does for Australia. It will take a lot of work to get him there, though. Perhaps he is better suited to the no. 6 slot for tests. Perhaps not. There is a massive difference between 20 20 and test cricket. Levi in anycase only targets one area namely mid wicket. he will be found out. Make no mistake he has talent and all that, I just think he will need to find more areas to score in. He has also not scored too many runs in domestic 4 day cricket has he? Much better technical players out there for the Test match cricket. Dean Elgar's and Colin Ingram's.........
'Dale Posted March 16, 2012 Posted March 16, 2012 Somewhere else in the world: Sachin gets his 100th ton in the Asia Cup. :clap: :clap:
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