Cricket......

[gemmerbal]

well now, that overthrow is causing quite a stir this morning: according to the wording of the law (19.8)

"19.8 Overthrow or wilful act of fielder If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be any runs for penalties awarded to either side and the allowance for the boundary and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had [Laws of Cricket 2017 Code (2nd Edition - 2019) 34] already crossed at the instant of the throw or act. Law 18.12.2 (Batsman returning to wicket he/she has left) shall apply as from the instant of the throw or act."

the problem I see here is that the laws dont take into account any deflection off the batsman, whether intentional or unintentional. the laws address the issue of the batsmen obstructing the attempted throw at the wickets, but not specifically what happens in the example at hand.

this one is not quite over, haha

Edited July 15, 2019 by gemmerbal

[gemmerbal]

nothing strange there my friend, tbh i also had to look it up: https://www.cricketworldcup.com/news/en/487717

 

Appendix F

Procedure for the Super Over 

The following procedure shall apply should the provision for a Super Over be adopted in any match.

1. Subject to weather conditions the Super Over will take place on the scheduled day of the match at a time to be determined by the ICC Match Referee. In normal circumstances it shall commence 10 minutes after the conclusion of the match.

2. The amount of extra time allocated to the Super Over is the greater of (a) the extra time allocated to the original match less the amount of extra time actually utilised and (b) the gap between the actual end of the match and the time the original match would have been scheduled to finish had the whole of the extra time provision been utilised. Should play be delayed prior to or during the Super Over once the playing time lost exceeds the extra time allocated, the Super Over shall be abandoned. See paragraph 15 below.

3. The Super Over shall take place on the pitch allocated for the match (the designated pitch) unless otherwise determined by the umpires in consultation with the Ground Authority and the ICC Match Referee.

4. The umpires shall stand at the same end as that in which they finished the match.

5. In both innings of the Super Over, the fielding side shall choose from which end to bowl.

6. Only nominated players in the match may participate in the Super Over. Should any player (including the batsmen and bowler) be unable to continue to participate in the Super Over due to injury, illness or other wholly acceptable reasons, the relevant Playing Conditions as they apply in the match shall also apply in the Super Over.

7. Any penalty time being served in the match shall be carried forward to the Super Over.

8. Each team’s over is played with the same fielding restrictions as apply for the last over in a match played under the ICC Twenty20 International Playing Conditions.

9. The team batting second in the match shall bat first in the Super Over.

10. The captain of the fielding team (or his/her nominee) shall select the ball with which the fielding team shall bowl their over in the Super Over from the box of spare balls provided by the umpires (which shall include the balls used in the match, but no new balls). The team fielding first in the Super Over shall have first choice of ball. The team fielding second may choose to use the same ball as chosen by the team bowling first. If the ball needs to be changed, the Playing Conditions shall apply.

11. The loss of two wickets in the over ends the team’s one over innings.

12. In the event of the teams having the same score after the Super Over has been completed, if the original match was a tie under the Duckworth/Lewis/Stern method, paragraph 14 below shall apply. Otherwise, the team whose batsmen hit the most number of boundaries combined from its two innings in both the match and the Super Over shall be the winner.

13. If the number of boundaries hit by both teams is equal, the team whose batsmen scored more boundaries
during its innings in the main match (ignoring the Super Over) shall be the winner.

14. If still equal, a count-back from the final ball of the Super Over shall be conducted. The team with the higher scoring delivery shall be the winner. If a team loses two wickets during its over, then any unbowled deliveries will be counted as dot balls. Note that for this purpose, the runs scored from a delivery is defined as the total team runs scored since the completion of the previous legitimate ball, i.e including any runs resulting from wides, no balls or penalty runs

 

Could have should have would have.

 

That catch/six would normally have seen Boult take it and the deflection (which might have been only 5) were big moments at the death, but there's a 102 overs of incidents to pick apart, and there's loads when the margins are this thin. NZ got smashed in the league game, england definitely the better side on paper.

 

I for one don't think Archer was the right call for superover bowler. I would have gone with Woakes, especially when they had 15 to defend. He was excellent at the death in the 50 overs, but missed a lot of lines, they got away with it. Also interesting that they were allowed to field with James Vince, mark wood was able to come out and bat and run for two, but then they bring on a specialist sub for the superover....

 

but hey India were not subtle in how they played 12 men the entire tournament. While Jadeja only played 2 games, came on as a sub in 4 of them - took 9 catches and a run out as fielder of the tournament.

Edited July 15, 2019 by gemmerbal

[gemmerbal]

yep, and they tour here in December...

 

Well, now we’re not going to hear the end of it with the poms.

[Shebeen]

nothing strange there my friend, tbh i also had to look it up: https://www.cricketworldcup.com/news/en/487717

 

Appendix F

Procedure for the Super Over 

 

 

 

12. In the event of the teams having the same score after the Super Over has been completed, if the original match was a tie under the Duckworth/Lewis/Stern method, paragraph 14 below shall apply. Otherwise, the team whose batsmen hit the most number of boundaries combined from its two innings in both the match and the Super Over shall be the winner.

 

13. If the number of boundaries hit by both teams is equal, the team whose batsmen scored more boundaries

during its innings in the main match (ignoring the Super Over) shall be the winner.

 

14. If still equal, a count-back from the final ball of the Super Over shall be conducted. The team with the higher scoring delivery shall be the winner. If a team loses two wickets during its over, then any unbowled deliveries will be counted as dot balls. Note that for this purpose, the runs scored from a delivery is defined as the total team runs scored since the completion of the previous legitimate ball, i.e including any runs resulting from wides, no balls or penalty runs

good thing they didn't get to 13 or 14 (as they both hit a 6 in the super over)!!

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;groupby=overall;orderby=won;template=results;trophy=12;type=team

okee dokee, so world cup is now over let's look at the stats.

there have now been 445 world cup games, with just 5 ties (and 8 washouts).

this was rare, so to happen in a final is nuts!

 

So what you really want to know - batting first? 234/198 win/lose!

 

 

thanks for all the banter and insights. see you back here when we are in India, where it can only go better (right?!)

[babse]

 

I for one don't think Archer was the right call for superover bowler. I would have gone with Woakes, especially when they had 15 to defend. 

 

snip

on the contrary do you think boult was the right guy for NZ to bowl the SO?

[gemmerbal]

my old mate, im not going to let a statistic ruin our "friendship"... the side batting second as well as first in the WC Final won...

 

India... now theres nothing for me to get excited about, id rather watch soccer, and I HATE soccer!

good thing they didn't get to 13 or 14 (as they both hit a 6 in the super over)!!

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;groupby=overall;orderby=won;template=results;trophy=12;type=team

okee dokee, so world cup is now over let's look at the stats.

there have now been 445 world cup games, with just 5 ties (and 8 washouts).

this was rare, so to happen in a final is nuts!

 

So what you really want to know - batting first? 234/198 win/lose!

 

 

thanks for all the banter and insights. see you back here when we are in India, where it can only go better (right?!)

[scotty]

im yet to meet an all out NZ cricket fan (anything close to their Rugby fans)... surely there arent many around.

 

dont think it would a real issue if NZ had won last night and then take the RWC

Really ?, seems like sour grapes to me. One has to wonder if roles were reversed if they would whinge similar. Only team I like less than NZ is the Aussies. 

 

Technical knockout: Kiwis praise team but query 'cruel' rules

 

"But the tournament had to have a winner, somehow. And in the end, what was perhaps the most dramatic ODI ever played, was decided by a curious, contentious fine-print rule."

It was a theme echoed by Sam Flynn Scott from pop culture website The Spinofff's cricket podcast.

"Did we lose the game? It seems like it was tied and then it was tied again, then there was just some stupid rule about who wins the World Cup," he said. 

"It should have been who took the most wickets (which would have given New Zealand victory)

Vettori at least gets it

 

Former New Zealand bowler Daniel Vettori said it "feels unfortunate" the final was decided on boundaries scored but the Black Caps had to accept the rules.

 

https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/CricketWorldCup2019/technical-knockout-kiwis-praise-team-but-query-cruel-rules-20190715

Edited July 15, 2019 by scotty

[Shebeen]

on the contrary do you think boult was the right guy for NZ to bowl the SO?

I think so. He was warmed up and easily their most experienced death bowler. Any other bowler could have come off but would have been a risk.

 

my old mate, im not going to let a statistic ruin our "friendship"... the side batting second as well as first in the WC Final won...

 

India... now theres nothing for me to get excited about, id rather watch soccer, and I HATE soccer!

exactly, except no one won the two tied scenarios. If you want to enjoy cricket I think you might need to make peace with the Indians in the medium to long term, it's just not going anywhere.

[gemmerbal]

respectfully Shebeen, I dont have to do anything my friend (im not picking a fight here, we are at a truce nê, because of the side batting first and second won the koppie).

 

I can hate them with a passion and still enjoy my cricket. the size of my erection when they lost to England was such that I almost poked my own eye out. I will rather see the Sandpaper class win 10 world cups than see the Indians reach the final. And come April when they have their little Parkie League, channel 202 becomes a no-fly zone. Luckily Im not paying Multichoice a cent for that.

 

I say these things respectfully mate, its not a racist thing, its a BCCI and ICC thing, and the fact that when we were the number 1 test team in the world, we got shunned by the so-called big 3 because they couldnt deal with the fact that they were getting beat by a truly multi-national and diverse cricket team in any and all conditions. so they feckers had to conspire to get us off the top of the tree. Graeme Smith and that side conquered them all and they couldnt stand us for it.

 

Thus, I HATE them with every fibre in my body.

I think so. He was warmed up and easily their most experienced death bowler. Any other bowler could have come off but would have been a risk.

 

exactly, except no one won the two tied scenarios. If you want to enjoy cricket I think you might need to make peace with the Indians in the medium to long term, it's just not going anywhere.

['Dale]

Take a bow, Black Caps

[gemmerbal]

There we are...

 

https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/CricketWorldCup2019/cwc-shoved-sa-cricket-deeper-into-margins-20190718

[gemmerbal]

Anybody know why Zim has been suspended from the ICC?

[gemmerbal]

[gemmerbal]

King Kallis also asking that the powerplay format revert to its previous iteration of allowing 5 fielders outside the 30yard circle from overs 11-40, in order to make the game more evenly balanced between bat and ball. Now correct me if im wrong but the whole reason for the current pp iteration from overs 11-40 was because the contest between bat and ball WAS EVEN and found to be unattractive/boring.

 

King Kallis, come again???

[gemmerbal]

Is it really that different from whats happening/happened in SA? Are we next? [emoji85]

 

[Vetplant]

Is it really that different from whats happening/happened in SA? Are we next? [emoji85]

Very valid question...