Dropper Posts: Things are hotting up

[ThePubSA]

Thomson Dropper Post - Eurobike 2012

by Mike Levy

Thomson Elite Dropper Details

 

• Telescoping seat post

• 5''/127mm drop (internally adj. to 4'')

• Infinitely adjustable travel

• Hydraulic internals

• Nitrogen return spring (not adjustable)

• Lever-adjustable return speed

• Weight: 450g (prototype)

• Availability: March/April 2013

• Projected MSRP $380

 

Thomson stirred up a hornet's nest of activity when they teased riders with a few quick photos of their upcoming telescoping seat post on their Facebook page a few months back, but no other information was available at the time. Fast forward to Eurobike and they were showing off the new post, dubbed the 'Elite Dropper', in their booth, which we made our first stop of the show. The post is still in the early prototyping stage, with only a few functioning samples in the wild at this point.

 

The Elite Dropper offers 5"/127mm of infinitely adjustable travel, meaning that it can be positioned anywhere between and full extension fully lowered . The travel is controlled with a sealed cartridge (it can be worked on by a service center, though) that separates the post's hydraulic oil from the non-adjustable nitrogen return spring that is set at 135psi. Thomson has employed a clever second check valve within the cartridge that keeps the post from pulling up through its travel when lifting the bike by the saddle, thereby remedying a somewhat annoying trait of some other hydraulically controlled posts.

 

While it looks as if Thomson has refined existing dropper post technology rather than reinventing it, they have done something completely different to eliminate any side to side saddle wiggle from the Elite Dropper. Rather than use multiple keyways to keep the round stanchion from rotating, an interesting sixteen-point shaft - that fits within a matching sixteen-point profile within the outer tube - is attached to the bottom of the stanchion. This requires assembly to involve sliding in the stanchion from above, then threading the sixteen-

point section into place through the bottom of the outer tube, followed by screwing the silver bottom cap onto the bottom. This layout allows Thomson to utilize traditional round bushings from Norglide to keep the post's travel smooth, although the upper, stationary bushing sports a custom finish to further enhance the post's movement.

 

Thomson is being very clear about one thing: reliability is the focus of the new dropper post. They are aiming to have the Elite Dropper trump everything else on the market when it comes to longevity, a goal that will likely make the Thomson post a favorite among riders if fulfilled given how unreliable most current designs are.

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Edited August 29, 2012 by 2Nutz

[ThePubSA]

Head-mounted actuation The Elite Dropper's actuation arm is located on the side of its two-bolt head (that features the very same rail clamp as used on their standard seat posts), with a bolt-on cable stop and arm that is pulled on by a standard shift cable. Hidden from view within the post's head, the actuation arm pushes down on a plunger located at the top of the cartridge, thereby opening the oil port and allowing the post to stroke through its travel. Interestingly, Thomson allows riders to choose from varying rebound speeds despite its shift cable actuation thanks to a cam design on the plunger that determines the amount of oil flow allowed when engaged - pushing the lever completely through its travel will result in a faster return speed than if the rider only depresses it partway. While we didn't get to try the system on a bike, it should allow riders to easily find those partially dropped positions.

http://gp1.pinkbike.org/p4pb8589754/p4pb8589754.jpgRemote or under seat Two activation options will be available, allowing riders to pick from either a remote or under-the-seat lever. While still likely to receive some minor changes before production begins, the lever employs an ultra-slim footprint that easily fits between the other controls on your bar, as well as being hinged for simple installation and removal. The under-the-seat lever is likely going to be less popular than the remote, but using it will reduce bar clutter, if that is a concern. It is bolted to the same mounting location as the remote actuation arm, and pushes the cartridge's plunger down in the same way when pulled.

 

 

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Hydraulic cartridge Thomson isn't shy about admitting that the Elite Dropper's cartridge is outsourced to another company; they wanted to focus on the machined structure and design of the post and let a team with experience in hydraulics design take care of the internals. The hydraulic oil is held within the upper section of the cartridge (right), with the activation plunger at the very top. At the bottom is the nitrogen chamber that is pressurized to 135psi. This pressure is not adjustable, something that many riders have used in the past to adjust their seat post's return speed, simply because the cam design on the plunger allows the user to select rebound speed by how far the lever is pushed.

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Non-adjustable nitrogen The Elite Dropper's outsourced internals are laser etched at the bottom of the post (left), including the nod to its Norglide bushings and Motul oil. The threaded silver bottom cap (right) allows access to the post's internals, while a specially-shaped plug at its center keeps users from letting the nitrogen gas escape accidentally.

[TheV]

Reverb-II... enough said... everyone else should just throw in the towel.

[RockCoach]

Why are Thomson going with a head mounted actuation? The leaders in the field have already cured that issue...

[Skott5]

Why are Thomson going with a head mounted actuation? The leaders in the field have already cured that issue...

 

Edzackery ... And reverb has sorted it's reliability issues.

 

I wonder what pricing will be like.

[Iwan Kemp]

Reverb-II... enough said... everyone else should just throw in the towel.

Yes

 

Why are Thomson going with a head mounted actuation? The leaders in the field have already cured that issue...

And yes

[Hairy]

It looks nice and the Thompson boys and girls don't put a product on the market that will not last, so it will be interesting to see how things pan out.

[Skott5]

I heard today that the Fox DOSS will retail for around 4.5K ! ( Zuma ronts )

Please tell me they joking ?

Edited August 31, 2012 by Skott5

[Iwan Kemp]

I heard today that the Fox DOSS will retail for around 4.5K ! ( Zuma ronts )

Please tell me they joking ?

 

That's Fox for you.

[patches]

Reverb-II... enough said... everyone else should just throw in the towel.

 

By Reverb II are you referring to the 2012 ones with the black collar?

 

If so, then they need a Reverb III that actuates from the collar like the KS Lev, because not everyone has a stealth compatible frame.

[RockCoach]

 

 

By Reverb II are you referring to the 2012 ones with the black collar?

 

If so, then they need a Reverb III that actuates from the collar like the KS Lev, because not everyone has a stealth compatible frame.

 

I'd love to see the Lev if it ever arrives....

[TooFatforEpic]

I've had a KS LEV for about a month (bought from Wiggle). I guess time will tell but I'm very happy so far.

[RockCoach]

I've had a KS LEV for about a month (bought from Wiggle). I guess time will tell but I'm very happy so far.

 

Cool. Let us know how it goes.

I will get one when it arrives at the agents.

[patches]

I don't know if I found The V's secret supplier, but I can get hold of Reverb II's for 2000 ZA Ronds

[Skott5]

I don't know if I found The V's secret supplier, but I can get hold of Reverb II's for 2000 ZA Ronds

For real Patches o Hoolahan ?