Big shi(t)pment coming

[Groot Lem]

Lawrence WhittAKER new CSA hhairman said a few weeks ago they need proof to act. Does he expect me to draw blood out of a rider without the rider noticing?

Hope they act if something happens.

I hear there are positive A samples in SA , waiting for the B samples. Even heard some names...

[snah2]

I have a gutfeel this is all going to fizzle out...Even if it goes so far that the providers are subpoena'd(spelling?)to provide names of those who they have supplied,those named will either deny or blame their pregnant wife/dog/parakeet.

I guess only success will be when riders are caught in the act via positive tests and as stated by the expert Chunkey it is possible to run rings around these tests.

Sigh

[Chunky]

Hye guys, think you getting the wrong Idea...

I am not going to tell anyone who is doing what. That is not the right thing to do. the point I am trying to make the point that its not just a few doing it, its the majority.

[Chunky]

Nice!

You make it known that you won't squeel with names but talking to Wilhelm just how much info are you going to add to his arsenal? The more he knows the more dangerous and ugly things will get. They won't stop untill you spit the names' date=' they will definitely try.

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Manbat, they have tried this before and they never got any names. It would just be carnage if the names got out.

I dont know what each and every individual does. You know what the reporters are like, they looking to make a huge story out of crap. Its amazing that everytime anything that has to do with drugs is brought up, certain names always get linked to it.

There are others out there who know far more than me, and the right people know about these guys but nothing every happens to them. Suppose its all about who you know again.

With all these positive tests and raids, its obvious what is going on in sport. Not just cycling. I cant see how people think that it would be any different here. The big point that needs to be made that people are innocent untill proven guilty, and if a rider does not fail a drug test, he cant be accused of anything.If that rider is managing to beat the tests and stay in the clear, then so be it.

[Chunky]

Manbat

I am definately not the kingpin, If I was I would be rich......

I help out not by supplying the stuff. I obviously do know where to get it from.

He he he. Can you imagine the federation or drug free sport trying to explain why they have employed me. Besides, I have to be honest with you, I like it when the guys beat the test.

I was contacted by the reporter becuase of comments that I had made on this site. I never called him. I told him outright that I am not going to mention any names.

[Wonder Woman]

So, Chunky, you are saying that it is all okay, because so many people are taking stuff it makes it right. I'm sorry, I think you should all be kicked out of the sport once & for all....You're ruining a good sport!!

What really upsets me is you can say this openly on a forum and nothing happens

 

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Hmm, all this remids me of the old Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times.!"

...........To be honest I have always found Chunkys posts interesting and have said so before, he appears to "call a spade a spade" and appears to know exactly whats happening in the "inner circles".!

The information Chunky imparts to anyone calling him regarding doping is by no means illegal, it is readily available in text form, in book form and probably even via the internet if you know where to look.

I know of two books written by medical doctors and readily available from any international book seller on dope usage in sport, products used in differant sports,suggested dosages, cycles of use etc, some even go so far as to tell you how to prevent scar tissue from overuse of injectables!!.

Many magazines have also covered this in detail in the past.

Doping is a world wide problem, and its unlikely to stop any time soon, so some practioners have taken the view, better to put correct and safe (??) information out there in the market regarding usage and side effects, so people can make INFORMED decisions, and follow safe methods if they choose, rather than just overdosing and / or taking potentially harmfull drugs and seriously damaging their health.

I dont agree with it and nor do many, but thats not the point.  

This information is readily available, if you feel like searching for it, but most people are lazy and its easy to just call someone up and away we go.In a way, I guess, Chunky simply fulfilled a need - he did not create the need - just filled it.

...............As I say, imparting the information is not illegal, however, unless there is a medical reason which can be proved,and you are a licensed practioner, dealing in, and /or selling the product, most certainly is.!!

  

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[Jason]

Amagine how vindicated you would feel if you find out the guy that you have tried to beat or tried to keep up with did it using banned stuff........

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Not only pissed but I would understand better' date=' me training my butt off and getting medeocre results.......
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Spidey, imagine how you'll feel when you know you've trained your ass off and the guy you beat was on something . He'll feel so k@k he will be wondering why his wasting his money on sh*t and getting his butt kicked by another rider who is clean!

[scotty]

True Widget, as Chunky says he's not doing anything illegal. While i dont agree with it, legal or not and no doubt its damaging to the profile of the sport, how many slamming him break some or road rule like speeding which is illegal.

[Chunky]

Hmm' date=' all this remids me of the old Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times.!"

...........To be honest I have always found Chunkys posts interesting and have said so before, he appears to "call a spade a spade" and appears to know exactly whats happening in the "inner circles".!

The information Chunky imparts to anyone calling him regarding doping is by no means illegal, it is readily available in text form, in book form and probably even via the internet if you know where to look.

I know of two books written by medical doctors and readily available from any international book seller on dope usage in sport, products used in differant sports,suggested dosages, cycles of use etc, some even go so far as to tell you how to prevent scar tissue from overuse of injectables!!.

Many magazines have also covered this in detail in the past.

Doping is a world wide problem, and its unlikely to stop any time soon, so some practioners have taken the view, better to put correct and safe (??) information out there in the market regarding usage and side effects, so people can make INFORMED decisions, and follow safe methods if they choose, rather than just overdosing and / or taking potentially harmfull drugs and seriously damaging their health.

I dont agree with it and nor do many, but thats not the point.  

This information is readily available, if you feel like searching for it, but most people are lazy and its easy to just call someone up and away we go.In a way, I guess, Chunky simply fulfilled a need - he did not create the need - just filled it.

...............As I say, imparting the information is not illegal, however, unless there is a medical reason which can be proved,and you are a licensed practioner, dealing in, and /or selling the product, most certainly is.!!

  

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I dont think it could have been stated in better. thanks

[mallo]

Well this is interesting someone has the guts to mention there is tricks (#@%)ING) taking place in cycling. The last few years some SA athletes in the athletics and running world were caught out because they became complacent and overdone it , there is still many more doing it and getting away because the controlling bodies does not want to spent the money on having the correct tests done and on a frequent basis as well. I believe ( MY OPINION) we have to many persons on the doping board in SA aligned with the athletes/cyclists in some form or other hence the truth does not surface of the real state of affairs in our sport.

What is in your system is your responsibilty nobody else.

 

 

 

[Wonder Woman]

Widget, thanks for the education

I must admit I am a bit naive when it comes to this sort of thing.

Still think it is a disgrace to the sport though, but who am I to judge.

 

 

[RoadNoob]

Well, i just found out about this forum from another friend and what was going on on it.

When speaking to Chunky about what was needed to go faster, to make your training mroe efficient he always gave the correct advice, being a computer nerd i went and checked up everythjign that he said with whatever reading material i could find and the advice he gave was sound.

I used products, i used them from the age of 16, when racing was very tough and hard and although they do make you go faster, i noticed that you lost a certain amount of respect for what you were doing while racing/training on performance improving drugs, and generally a decline in my overall enjoyment of what the sport was all about.

Yes they are illegal to use as a competitive cyclist, and i dont believe that it does you any good from a long term performance gain. Although i ahve not tried EPO or other blood doping type activities, as i value my life more than the performance gain.

I can also tell you now that i experienced my most successful seasons racing clean, and i atribute that to the respect i gained for training and diet and if i had used drugs to improve those i dont think i would have enjoyed it that much.

I havemany years of provincial colours and national classic victories behind my name and MANY drug tests and i was never caught for anything as i never used them in those events.

I cna tell you a story of one incident, it was the Tzaneen classic, and i swollowed 5 stimulant based tablets at the start of the race, and when i say i flew, that four letter word does no justice to the way that i was going. But as we all know there is always a draw back and as i got to the bottom of the climb (Magoebaskloof sp?) all my batteries ran dead, and i was so buggered and tired that i could not make it up the climb. and i got to the climb 3 mins on the bunch. As one can well imagine i didnt use that technique again.

It is my true feelings that people who use them make the mistake of thinking of rewards will be as good that if they did it clean. And yes Chunky did give the right advice, he did say this will work with that etc.

But who is guilty, the gun shop owner or the person who pulled the trigger, and that a great failure in the sport of cycling that its sad that the crime is not taking the drug its getting caught.

Anyone that knows how tough stage racing is knows that Floyd landis took the stuff, it showed up in his tests and on that stage, if we are to presume the other riders were clean, which i wouldlike to, you could even see the way they climbed in comparison to Floyd Landis, he was a machine. I took an androgenic testosterone tablet course once, and i can tell you now thats exectly what it did to me. I could ride 230km a day non stop and not get tired, my recovery was suoer human and i thought i was going to break my bicycle between my legs. (No i didnt race on it)

But he will go down in history as one of the worlds greatest cheats, the only person to have cheated in the tour. Remembering that Pedro Delgado had used Probenicid, i masking agent which basically was diaretic sp? (not checking it) so that when they did a urine test, levels of whatever were diluted. Banned in the Olympics but not in cycling.

The sad thing was is that they probably could have done it without the use of anything.

[BikeMax]

Well' date=' i just found out about this forum from another friend and what was going on on it.

When speaking to Chunky about what was needed to go faster, to make your training mroe efficient he always gave the correct advice, being a computer nerd i went and checked up everythjign that he said with whatever reading material i could find and the advice he gave was sound.

I used products, i used them from the age of 16, when racing was very tough and hard and although they do make you go faster, i noticed that you lost a certain amount of respect for what you were doing while racing/training on performance improving drugs, and generally a decline in my overall enjoyment of what the sport was all about.

Yes they are illegal to use as a competitive cyclist, and i dont believe that it does you any good from a long term performance gain. Although i ahve not tried EPO or other blood doping type activities, as i value my life more than the performance gain.

I can also tell you now that i experienced my most successful seasons racing clean, and i atribute that to the respect i gained for training and diet and if i had used drugs to improve those i dont think i would have enjoyed it that much.

I havemany years of provincial colours and national classic victories behind my name and MANY drug tests and i was never caught for anything as i never used them in those events.

I cna tell you a story of one incident, it was the Tzaneen classic, and i swollowed 5 stimulant based tablets at the start of the race, and when i say i flew, that four letter word does no justice to the way that i was going. But as we all know there is always a draw back and as i got to the bottom of the climb (Magoebaskloof sp?) all my batteries ran dead, and i was so buggered and tired that i could not make it up the climb. and i got to the climb 3 mins on the bunch. As one can well imagine i didnt use that technique again.

It is my true feelings that people who use them make the mistake of thinking of rewards will be as good that if they did it clean. And yes Chunky did give the right advice, he did say this will work with that etc.

But who is guilty, the gun shop owner or the person who pulled the trigger, and that a great failure in the sport of cycling that its sad that the crime is not taking the drug its getting caught.

Anyone that knows how tough stage racing is knows that Floyd landis took the stuff, it showed up in his tests and on that stage, if we are to presume the other riders were clean, which i wouldlike to, you could even see the way they climbed in comparison to Floyd Landis, he was a machine. I took an androgenic testosterone tablet course once, and i can tell you now thats exectly what it did to me. I could ride 230km a day non stop and not get tired, my recovery was suoer human and i thought i was going to break my bicycle between my legs. (No i didnt race on it)

But he will go down in history as one of the worlds greatest cheats, the only person to have cheated in the tour. Remembering that Pedro Delgado had used Probenicid, i masking agent which basically was diaretic sp? (not checking it) so that when they did a urine test, levels of whatever were diluted. Banned in the Olympics but not in cycling.

The sad thing was is that they probably could have done it without the use of anything.

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Thanks for your honesty.

Anyone questioning how PED's improve performance or with an interest in the subject in general should read this article;

http://outside.away.com/outside/bodywork/200311/200311_drug_ test_1.html

Very interesting reading and gives an insight into the whole process and how it affects the rider etc.

[garykid]

scares the S%$t out of me! A guy I knew a gym when I was at varsity took injectables, grew huge rapidly in comparison to the rest of us, and I must admit I was envious of his progress........he had a liver transplant 4 years ago and now weighs 65kg's and cant bench press more than a paper bag.

If athletes want to use this stuff, they must have the right info for safety reasons to avoid the above happening, and there are those out there with the right information. I have no problem with people wanting to improve their performance in this way and if they are willling to pay for the service it is their business.

However I do take ombridge to the claims that they are better athletes than those who are clean, they are merely better druggies.

Maybe we should split the sports like bodybuilding did a decade or so ago.  I think there was a Mr Natural Universe and Mr Universe running parralel!!!! Every competitor in the first had to undergo testing randomly throughout the months leading up to the contest.

Clean cyclist sponsoredby reputable companies, and pill poppers sponsored by drug dealers....two effective forms of marketing.

I do not even come close to competing at that level, so my concerns are not for who is getting the better of me, but what is the point in supporting a sport or aspiring to race when you know the guy who will win is the guy who can afford better drugs and clever masking agents. I know these guys are under pressure, but how many of those U10 cyclists aspiring to be Robbie Hunter, will look at Floyd and say, nah, lets play TV games instead!!!!!!

Just my 2 cents worth

[RoadNoob]

i remember another story, and as these my seem nightmares to others, it was a way of life. So many people would say "how could cycling be so rife with drug abuse", all i can say is its those people that have one serious thick wool covering over their eyes.

There was a race, Zoo lake Kermesse, divided into categories and part of some corporate relay.

So this one rider on his recent return from belguim, had come back with the Belgium Mix. And had strapped a syringe to himslelf containing this substance.

During the race, he enjected himself, on the bike with this mixture, and continued. And on the next lap proceeded to crash as he could not "See where he was going"

I found this story very funny, the idiot, as we all were but this is particularily good.

I urge all readers of this forum to buy the book, "Breaking the chain" by Willie Voet. he was the masseus that was caught in the entire Festina Afffair. This is a heart breaking, q bringing back down to earth book on professional bike racing.

An englilsh cyclist was battling, wife and baby to feed,  no income no winnings. A teamamte offered him some amphetamines, and he took it, and started winning 3000quid a month.

Cycling is not all roses and $25m a year Lance armstrong stories, it is probably one of the hardest sports around.

As from my previous posts, no i am not a professional cyclist, i am NOT reliant on drugs for anything, (and i pity those who are) but please dont be naive thinking the sport is clean (like i do, to some extent).

i have not read the next post, about chunky and something else, but please trust me when i say, i am with him in the dark alley against anyone who tries come against him and says he is the evil.

Wake up and smell the f**cking cofee.