Statins and Cramps

[V12man]

Speaking from personal experience....was on Lipitor for about two years and ruptured my Achilles tendon climbing stairs. Ortho told me that there is anecdotal evidence that these drugs have a negative effect on some musculoskeletal soft tissue structures.

 

 

There is documented evidence of some antibiotics having negative effects on tendons - especially the Achilles... make a mental note to tell your doc you should avoid those if at all possible.

[Live5]

Interesting thread. I am on Crestor 20 (or 40? heaviest dose) and have experienced no problems whatsoever with any of these symptoms BUT that said the effects of these drugs are not immediate and one sometimes grows to accept the current condition as normal. I noted the Co Enzyme Q10 with interest and have bought myself some to add to the 2000mg Niancin I take daily. Lets see how that goes - will let you know if I feel any marked difference.

[TopFuel]

Please dont trust the daily mail or any random article fof health advice. The "science" is laughable at best. High cholesterol is a cardiovascular risk factor and the reduction is associated with lower morbidity and mortality.

 

The same can be said for the natural coenzymes and hmgcoA reductase inhibitors. Very little evidence to back them up.

 

Please, please, please consult a doctor before changing anything.

[F111]

I got COQ10 from my chemist and my doctor also change my script so I will find out on my next long ride if there is a change

[johannrissik]

Google "big statin fraud".

 

There is a lot of literature out there, some great some rubbish, but what is abundantly clear is that the side-effects of statins have not been adequately advertised.

 

Open debate is required, not desperate attempts to slam the lid on any dissent.

[F111]

Google "big statin fraud".

 

There is a lot of literature out there, some great some rubbish, but what is abundantly clear is that the side-effects of statins have not been adequately advertised.

 

Open debate is required, not desperate attempts to slam the lid on any dissent.

I have tried to find good independent studies done by organizations not funded by the big drug companies. I could not find any. My doctor and chemist recommend that I don't stop using it even if my total Cholesterol is only 3.0

[johannrissik]

I have tried to find good independent studies done by organizations not funded by the big drug companies. I could not find any. My doctor and chemist recommend that I don't stop using it even if my total Cholesterol is only 3.0

 

It's not easy, but try this http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/statins-scam.html#.UnI0qNKmhKN

 

Pharmacies make money from selling statins, why would they tell you to stop taking them?

 

Tim Noakes and others have given the "statin tree" a good shake and the reactions are very interesting

[Joe Low]

I have tried to find good independent studies done by organizations not funded by the big drug companies. I could not find any. My doctor and chemist recommend that I don't stop using it even if my total Cholesterol is only 3.0

Why are you on statins if you dont have high cholesterol?

 

Untreated, mine sits around 7 & I react badly to statins, but not cramps, so i dont take them.

 

Statins are really effective in lowering cholesterol, so it's a problem that a significant minority have side-effects from them. I wouldnt call it a conspiracy, by any means.

[johannrissik]

I have tried to find good independent studies done by organizations not funded by the big drug companies. I could not find any. My doctor and chemist recommend that I don't stop using it even if my total Cholesterol is only 3.0

This one.

http://www.proteinpo...3h6XXCk.twitter

 

An exceprt from it:

Statins do not decrease all-cause mortality in the vast majority of people. Long-term studies have never been able to demonstrate that women of any age or with any degree of heart disease live longer by taking statins. The same long-term studies show that men over the age of 65 live no longer by taking statins. Men under 65 who have never had heart disease – and were talking actual heart disease here, not just an elevated cholesterol level – gain no longevity benefit from taking statins. The only small group of people who have been shown to benefit from statins are men under 65 who have had a heart attack. But unfortunately that benefit is small.

Multiple studies have shown that taking statins does reduce both the incidence and severity of heart attacks. But these same studies don’t show any increase in longevity for those taking statins (other than the small benefit for men under 65 who have had heart attacks). Why. Statins simply trade one risk for another. Take them and you reduce the risk of a heart attack but increase your risk for cancer, diabetes, kidney failure, and side effects related to the drugs themselves. Many people die each year from statin-induced side effects. Despite what anyone may tell you, statins are not benign drugs.

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Edited October 31, 2013 by johannrissik

[TopFuel]

This one.

http://www.proteinpo...3h6XXCk.twitter

 

An exceprt from it:

Statins do not decrease all-cause mortality in the vast majority of people. Long-term studies have never been able to demonstrate that women of any age or with any degree of heart disease live longer by taking statins. The same long-term studies show that men over the age of 65 live no longer by taking statins. Men under 65 who have never had heart disease – and were talking actual heart disease here, not just an elevated cholesterol level – gain no longevity benefit from taking statins. The only small group of people who have been shown to benefit from statins are men under 65 who have had a heart attack. But unfortunately that benefit is small.

Multiple studies have shown that taking statins does reduce both the incidence and severity of heart attacks. But these same studies don’t show any increase in longevity for those taking statins (other than the small benefit for men under 65 who have had heart attacks). Why. Statins simply trade one risk for another. Take them and you reduce the risk of a heart attack but increase your risk for cancer, diabetes, kidney failure, and side effects related to the drugs themselves. Many people die each year from statin-induced side effects. Despite what anyone may tell you, statins are not benign drugs.

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A real high quality study. This is actually a pooled collected of studies. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004816.pub5/abstract

[TopFuel]

It's not easy, but try this http://www.second-op...ml#.UnI0qNKmhKN

 

Pharmacies make money from selling statins, why would they tell you to stop taking them?

 

Tim Noakes and others have given the "statin tree" a good shake and the reactions are very interesting

 

Pharmacies also make money by selling antibiotics, antihypertensives, antifailure and asthma medication, to mention but a few. Should we stop taking those as well, supplied by the evil drugs companies. There is really no consipracy, there is good evidence to support the use of statins, as there is good evidence to support the use of the aforementioned drugs. Why wouldn't you take them (except side-effects) is the better question.

[johannrissik]

Pharmacies also make money by selling antibiotics, antihypertensives, antifailure and asthma medication, to mention but a few. Should we stop taking those as well, supplied by the evil drugs companies. There is really no consipracy, there is good evidence to support the use of statins, as there is good evidence to support the use of the aforementioned drugs. Why wouldn't you take them (except side-effects) is the better question.

 

Obfuscation. The question is about statins and their side-effects. And their questioned efficacy.

[TopFuel]

Obfuscation. The question is about statins and their side-effects. And their questioned efficacy.

 

They do work. They work very well. They have side effects, just like all drugs. But I personally think that the side effects are outweighed by the benefits and prevention of serious complications.

[V12man]

Obfuscation. The question is about statins and their side-effects. And their questioned efficacy.

 

Nobody with a medical qualification that I know of questions their efficacy..... they do work to do what they are supposed to do - that is a fact.

 

BUT - they do have side effects (as does most medication) - these are neither unpublished, nor hidden - and they are worth taking if you are in a high risk group where they are indicated - and even if you have minor side effects, there are benefits that make taking them worthwhile - if you are in the small percentage of people that has major side effects to a specific drug, then usually we can find one that works that has less side effects.

[Helpmytrap]

They do work. They work very well. They have side effects, just like all drugs. But I personally think that the side effects are outweighed by the benefits and prevention of serious complications.

Technically speaking, they only work partially. If they were 100% effective they'd kill you since life cannot be sustained without cholesterol.

 

I have the same stance as johannrissik on the matter.

[Helpmytrap]

Just as an alternative/objective view on the cardiovascular topic, the second video is more specific to cholesterol.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDVf-00w5gk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAKaM330xzg

Edited November 1, 2013 by Helpmytrap