Cervelo new P2 or Cannondale Slice.....

[SwissVan]

I recently compiled a database of TT bikes and assuming the 2014

P2 has not had a radical change of geometry, those two frames are completely different re Stack vs. Reach - the Cervelo is long and low while the Slice is short and high. Far too much emphasis is put on components etc, and not enough on the correct fit for your body type. This is especially relevant on TT bikes. Yes you can play around with different seat heights and stems etc, but for 180kms if you have long legs and a short torso, the Cannondale will be better, and if you have a long torso, the Cervelo would be better. Pick a frame, and then spec the components afterwards.

 

How do you know if u have a long torso? I know I got long legs and arms but not sure about the torso bit?

 

The new P2 is exactly the same as the P3, just has a different fork.

 

Any chance of sharing your TT DB.....

[gummibear]

One more to make the choice harder

 

Base pricing is without wheels

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.mathot.lu/images/pagepics/geometrie2(1).jpg

 

Edited March 13, 2014 by gummibear

[Red Zone]

I race a Slice, Hi Mod frame, never ridden the Cervelo so cant really compare, but I just love the Slice, most of the comments made here are valid, also re the vintage of the Slice it is a bit old, but still a head turner - its a very sexy bike. The P2 is probably a bit more aero as as a newer design. I found the Slice very easy to work on, the cable routing is simple and its easy to replace cables. The seatpost design on the Slice is very annoying and getting the saddle set up right is a serious pain in the butt, but once its done its done.

 

I would test ride both as it is probably going to come down to fit. But remember the cool kids ride Cannondale. Black colour scheme also rocks

[SwissVan]

I race a Slice, Hi Mod frame, never ridden the Cervelo so cant really compare, but I just love the Slice, most of the comments made here are valid, also re the vintage of the Slice it is a bit old, but still a head turner - its a very sexy bike. The P2 is probably a bit more aero as as a newer design. I found the Slice very easy to work on, the cable routing is simple and its easy to replace cables. The seatpost design on the Slice is very annoying and getting the saddle set up right is a serious pain in the butt, but once its done its done.

 

I would test ride both as it is probably going to come down to fit. But remember the cool kids ride Cannondale. Black colour scheme also rocks

 

Thanks

 

I'm to old to be a cool kid, more interested in comfort and efficiency

[Dinamic]

I recently compiled a database of TT bikes and assuming the 2014

P2 has not had a radical change of geometry, those two frames are completely different re Stack vs. Reach - the Cervelo is long and low while the Slice is short and high. Far too much emphasis is put on components etc, and not enough on the correct fit for your body type. This is especially relevant on TT bikes. Yes you can play around with different seat heights and stems etc, but for 180kms if you have long legs and a short torso, the Cannondale will be better, and if you have a long torso, the Cervelo would be better. Pick a frame, and then spec the components afterwards.

Spot on Andy. Stack and reach are often the determining factor in a good fit.

[Red Zone]

Thanks

 

I'm to old to be a cool kid, more interested in comfort and efficiency

The Slice was designed for comfort and a ride more like a road bike in terms of handling. I have no problem carving my whip down the Noordhoek side of Chappies on the aero bars at speed, I think I only break the tuck for on or two corners.

[Scalpel]

Swissvan its easy!! Buy the Cannondale!! And you know me I am totally unbiased!!

[Andymann]

Spot on Andy. Stack and reach are often the determining factor in a good fit.

And haven't we fount that out! - you just need to compare the bike times from the Bianchi with all the bells and whistles to the Cannondale with good mid-range components to see just how much faster a correct-fitting frame lets you go!

[Fujiman]

I am glad that many of you regard fit as important especially in ultra distance triathlon. The true aerodynamic equation is bike + rider = speed. Yet the biggest factor, which accounts for 85% of total drag, is the rider.

 

This is the drive now with the Norcom. check out www.fitcomesfirst.com forget about the brand just visit the site for the information as the theory is relevant whatever brand one chooses. We recently put a 70.3 world age group champ onto a Norcom and he is delighted that he can stay in the aero postion for the length of his rides (Ironman training distances). He has just come off a top brand which we will not mention where he could not stay comfortably in the aero position for very long.

 

Obviously a professional bike fit will help in this regard but often the bike cannot be made to fit a rider. The more positions available to a bike fitter the easier it will be to fine tune bike and rider.

[SwissVan]

Thanks for all the advice and suggestions so far.

 

The Cannondale slice in my size is only arriving in +/- 2weeks and have not been able to locate a New P2 in my size... In the mean time I'm going to try and get a Retül bike fit (Thanks to Andymann for mentioning it) before the Slice gets here, and hopefully they will be able to help me decide which frame is more suitable to my body and ability.

 

One question for the Slice owners, what's the story with the seat set up? Have seen a few online posts referring that it has 2 position options (only 2?) and can be a pain to set up? Why is it a pain?

Can you adjust the seat fore aft position and tilt like a conventional bike?

[Andymann]

Thanks for all the advice and suggestions so far.

 

The Cannondale slice in my size is only arriving in +/- 2weeks and have not been able to locate a New P2 in my size... In the mean time I'm going to try and get a Retül bike fit (Thanks to Andymann for mentioning it) before the Slice gets here, and hopefully they will be able to help me decide which frame is more suitable to my body and ability.

 

One question for the Slice owners, what's the story with the seat set up? Have seen a few online posts referring that it has 2 position options (only 2?) and can be a pain to set up? Why is it a pain?

Can you adjust the seat fore aft position and tilt like a conventional bike?

it's not the easiest to setup will admit. You have two major fore and aft positions which you do by selecting one of the two "cut-outs" on the seatpost - I also think you can reverse the seatpost too, which effectively gives you 4 major shifts in position. You can then do your fine-tuning with the seat on the rails as per the norm. The problem is that the adjustment screws are quite finicky and you need to watch out that the short end of the allen key doesn't scratch the seatpost when you are tightening or loosening the bolts. Which also compounds this is that all the bits tend to fall out of the seatpost if you loosen it too much, so it helps if you use some copper slip grease to hold everything in position. Where we did have a bit of a hassle is on the up and down nose-position of the seat where the teeth of the clamp are quite coarse, so the nose is either slightly too high, or slightly too low - there is no real intermediate position. Luckily, it's not too bad, and by just tightening the 2 Cap screws you can get it pretty close. But it isn't a 1 minute exercise...

[davem]

Thanks for all the advice and suggestions so far.

 

The Cannondale slice in my size is only arriving in +/- 2weeks and have not been able to locate a New P2 in my size... In the mean time I'm going to try and get a Retül bike fit (Thanks to Andymann for mentioning it) before the Slice gets here, and hopefully they will be able to help me decide which frame is more suitable to my body and ability.

 

One question for the Slice owners, what's the story with the seat set up? Have seen a few online posts referring that it has 2 position options (only 2?) and can be a pain to set up? Why is it a pain?

Can you adjust the seat fore aft position and tilt like a conventional bike?

 

It is hassle if you are using a multitool as the two bolts have restricted movement. No problem if your allen key has a long shaft. This is something you do to get setup. After that forget about it. Certainly not something to change your bike choice.

 

The two positions actually give you greater range of movement. ie you mount the saddle on the leading edge of the trailing edge of the top of the seatpost. You then have the full saddle rails for finer adjustment.

[Red Zone]

 

 

One question for the Slice owners, what's the story with the seat set up? Have seen a few online posts referring that it has 2 position options (only 2?) and can be a pain to set up? Why is it a pain?

Can you adjust the seat fore aft position and tilt like a conventional bike?

You do have full range of adjustability fore and aft as well as angle, it is just a bit finicky to set up due to the twin bolts and funny clamp, I did it myself with no special tools, it just requires a bit of playing around. The seat tends to angle down as you tighten it up so you need to start with it pointing a few degrees higher than you actually want it to end up.

 

The Slice was designed to have a UCI legal saddle position and a triathlon position (seat further forward), so you reverse the seatpost depending on which you want. When the seatpost is in the tri position, it has a hole at the back (trailing) side which allows you to fit the Cannondale bottle cage mount, which is a nice option, I have it on my bike and it is super solid and pretty aero.

[SwissVan]

Update:

 

Long sad story but I've been Argone'd

[gummibear]

Which Argon?

[SwissVan]

Which Argon?

 

E116 with push buttons