CraigCCW Posted June 23, 2014 Author Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) We had a long discussion on the hub about it a handful of months ago. Somewhere in Gravity. Sorry, are we still talking about Mountain Biking or Rally Car driving Edited June 23, 2014 by CraigCCW
RockCoach Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Sorry, are we still talking about Mountain Biking or Rally Car driving Don't really want to go off topic here... but counter steering when on two wheels is a completely different concept to four. Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Don't really want to go off topic here... but counter steering when on two wheels is a completely different concept to four.Yep. For an easy explanation, watch MotoGP riders when they tip it into the corners. basically shortens the wheelbase slightly which allows you to turn in a tighter arc
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Double post Edited June 25, 2014 by cpt armpies mayhem
hof27 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Thank you for sharing... your information is not helping my decision making one one bit! If you're a shortish person buy a 27.5..I tested both 29er & 27.5 and because of my height (1.74m) I just felt more in control..Go to the bike store and let the sales guy measure your hip height etc..Should give you a good on what bike would suit you more.
Guest 333 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 The first time I missed my 26'er was 1.2 nanoseconds after I saw my garage door had been smashed open by Kevin and Kenias... Alistair Cookie and Skubarra 2
Tumbleweed Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 You better take this to the next level! TWITTER Not sure I want to see him in bra and panties with a beer in hand…
GoLefty!! Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Yep. For an easy explanation, watch MotoGP riders when they tip it into the corners. basically shortens the wheelbase slightly which allows you to turn in a tighter arc Huh??!! Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Huh??!!Lol. try it. Next time you are going round in circles in the parking lot, just counter steer a bit. you'll feel yourself turning a bit tighter. not a lot, but it's there.
Fabian46 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Yep. For an easy explanation, watch MotoGP riders when they tip it into the corners. basically shortens the wheelbase slightly which allows you to turn in a tighter arc Ja..........i dont think so. Braking technique shortens the effect of the wheelbase, not countersteering. Countersteering has very little to do with what you are saying. Do you ride a motorcycle? nonky 1
Fabian46 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Lol. try it. Next time you are going round in circles in the parking lot, just counter steer a bit. you'll feel yourself turning a bit tighter. not a lot, but it's there. Countersteering has no effect( or negligible effect) at slow speeds. IdeJongh 1
GoLefty!! Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 No the "Shortening of the wheelbase is whats confusing. The rest of the bike is pivoting around a fixed point (headtube).Off course sliding the back heel and counter steering is faster but its nothing to do with wheel base
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Ja..........i dont think so. Braking technique shortens the effect of the wheelbase, not countersteering. Countersteering has very little to do with what you are saying. Do you ride a motorcycle?used to. But not at the level where I could effectively counter steer. The parking lot test - you can shorten the wheelbase quite a bit. It DOES work. You can turn tighter.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 No the "Shortening of the wheelbase is whats confusing. The rest of the bike is pivoting around a fixed point (headtube).Off course sliding the back heel and counter steering is faster but its nothing to do with wheel baseJa, but you are shortening the wheelbase as well as the effective height of the bike (contact patch to top of head tube) as when you counter steer the contact patch moves backwards from the centre of the axle. This ONLY works when you're leaning over, though. I can explain it easier with the aid of a bike, In person.
Fabian46 Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 used to. But not at the level where I could effectively counter steer. The parking lot test - you can shorten the wheelbase quite a bit. It DOES work. You can turn tighter. No. Your not making sense regarding the wheelbase issue. Maybe you're saying it wrong. Countersteering effects cannot be measured in a parking lot. I dont think you properly understand counter steering.
GoLefty!! Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Ja, but you are shortening the wheelbase as well as the effective height of the bike (contact patch to top of head tube) as when you counter steer the contact patch moves backwards from the centre of the axle. This ONLY works when you're leaning over, though. I can explain it easier with the aid of a bike, In person. if the contact patch moved backwards relative to the axle you would be heading over the bars. Its moves forward as the head angle slackens i.e. the vertical line drawn from the axle to the ground moves to the rear of the contact patch which stabilises the front wheel
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