Brandon Stewart

[Patchelicious]

The question I have is what benefit if any at all will nebido give to a user? From what I understand this will not elevate your performance from a C batch rider into the elite ranks does not matter how much you train...

Then there should be a motion to remove it from the banned substance list. Once it is, then it can be used without a TUE.

[Pabloesque]

Move along, nothing to see here

[Patchelicious]

Not sure if this link has been shared before: http://www.drugfreesport.org.za/medication-check-4/ Nebido Oily Sol for InjectionCategory: PROHIBITED in-and-out of competition

Last Upated: Sat, 23 Aug 2014

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Prohibited substance: TESTOSTERONE - refer to section S1 (Anabolic agents) of the WADA 2014 Prohibited List.

[scuzzy]

I don't know you from Jack, so I have nothing against you personally. My criticism was directed at the comments of other Hubbers a propos your spindoctoring. You knowingly took a banned substance, where is this mistake you keep referring to? On your drug control sheets from March 2013 that Slowbee removed you represented that you had a TUE for testosterone. Not True. SAIDS is a legally constituted body which acted in terms of its mandate. The sentence was a competent one. You gambled, knowing the consequences, and lost. There is no mistake and no one else is responsible for your predicament.

 

Blackbeard, for you to use that argument you need to compare apples with apples. Other people that did not disclose it got shorter sentences and even with all this trying to do the right thing he got a longer sentence.

[SwissVan]

He made a valid suggestion......

 

I asked a valid question concerning the topic under discussion which i assume Brandon can answer. I'm not going to read all 50+ pages again for the answer which i dont think is there anyway.

[Blackbeard]

This is the mail I sent to Drug Free SAIDS after my first TUE was declined...... YOU know what response I got to this letter...... THANKS BRANDON I ACKNOLOWGE RECIEPT OF YOUR MAIL..... Why didn't she say...... BRANDON I NEVER MADE SUCH COMMENTS OR GAVE SUCH PERMISSION... WHEN THIS CAME UP IN MY HEARING HER ANSWER IS THAT SHE TOOK MY MAIL TO KHALID CEO DRUG FREE AND WAS TOLD TO IGNORE ME....

Hi Anique

Thanks so much for your time this morning and I just wanted to send this e-mail regarding our telephone conversation to you this morning.

As mentioned previously I had all the required blood tests and full medical report, which was sent through too you by my doctor, Dr P>Applet who prescribed me the required treatment of Nebido Testosterone. You then mentioned to me that I may go ahead with the treatment and that SAIDS was not able to Deny me medical treatment if my doctor sees fit, as long I notified SAIDS accordingly. I have received the treatment from my Doctor which I later informed you about. Subsequent to my treatment on the 21^st February 2013 and again on the 5^th April, I have had 4 urine samples test in and out of competition. 3 in the Month of March and one now during the Msanzi road tour in April.

 

Now that I have been informed that my TUE has been denied, I will ask my doctor to contact you and further motivate it and understand why they have denied something that needed treatment. I have been honest and approach all parties concerned with regards to every step I have taken, and been assured at all times that I was following the correct procedures. I am also concerned about the test I have had till now, but have also declared it on my TUE application form that I am on the relevant testosterone treatment. I am not medically sure how long the Nebido stays in the system for as it is a very slow release testosterone to ensure long term health (explained by my doctor) and not short term performance benefits if any.

 

I am awaiting a phone call from my Doctor as to which I will ask him to respond in writing to yourself.

 

Kind regards

 

 

Brandon Stewart

From your own mail it is apparent that you knew that Anique did not have the requisite authority to grant you a TUE, that you knew it was dependent upon another person or group of persons. Given this knowledge, you cannot rely upon a claimed "mention" from Anique that you may proceed with a banned treatment particularly as you were fully aware that Anique had not reviewed the merits of your application. On your own version, your entire argument that you believed you had permission is based upon a few verbal utterances by yourself telephonically to a person you knew did not have the authority to make the decision. Is it perhaps clearer why your representations to SAIDS were unsuccessful? So you attack SAIDS and wonder why they are unsympathetic to your plight?

[Mousea]

From your own mail it is apparent that you knew that Anique did not have the requisite authority to grant you a TUE, that you knew it was dependent upon another person or group of persons. Given this knowledge, you cannot rely upon a claimed "mention" from Anique that you may proceed with a banned treatment particularly as you were fully aware that Anique had not reviewed the merits of your application. On your own version, your entire argument that you believed you had permission is based upon a few verbal utterances by yourself telephonically to a person you knew did not have the authority to make the decision. Is it perhaps clearer why your representations to SAIDS were unsuccessful? So you attack SAIDS and wonder why they are unsympathetic to your plight?

Do YOU speak to the CEO of a company to confirm the daily running of a business ?

Or do you speak to the people that "work" there ?

[ahmedbadat]

as a team owner surely you wouldn't have allowed or advised one of your riders to go about taking a banned substance as a tue in the same manner as you did if they needed it.

[Patchelicious]

Do YOU speak to the CEO of a company to confirm the daily running of a business ?

Or do you speak to the people that "work" there ?

If SAID company was about to ruin my career, I would definitely ask to speak to somebody other that the receptionist.

[Blackbeard]

Blackbeard, for you to use that argument you need to compare apples with apples. Other people that did not disclose it got shorter sentences and even with all this trying to do the right thing he got a longer sentence.

We don't have all the factors that were considered regarding sentencing before us. I cannot speak for SAIDS on the apparent discrepancy. Others have mentioned above that it may be a question of the time periods of the various decisions. I am not commenting on whether BS should have been granted a TUE or not - others have stated that he needed it and I won't dispute that. The point is that SAIDS imposed a ban that they were entitled to impose.

[Blackbeard]

Do YOU speak to the CEO of a company to confirm the daily running of a business ?

Or do you speak to the people that "work" there ?

Am I now speaking to a minion?

[Brandonmtb]

From your own mail it is apparent that you knew that Anique did not have the requisite authority to grant you a TUE, that you knew it was dependent upon another person or group of persons. Given this knowledge, you cannot rely upon a claimed "mention" from Anique that you may proceed with a banned treatment particularly as you were fully aware that Anique had not reviewed the merits of your application. On your own version, your entire argument that you believed you had permission is based upon a few verbal utterances by yourself telephonically to a person you knew did not have the authority to make the decision. Is it perhaps clearer why your representations to SAIDS were unsuccessful? So you attack SAIDS and wonder why they are unsympathetic to your plight?

Blackbeard I don't think you are quite understanding.... All I am saying is that I tried to do the right thing and it wasn't a matter of just cheating and saying "mentioned" or "said" think that is splitting hairs... I am a bike rider, didn't write the English dictionary... That's why I have said deserve a sentence but worse than that of one who just got caught cheating.... So I should have rather used a different testo more beneficial to performance and more chance of getting away with it..... "do you now get what I am stating here" Sorry for flogging the horse

[Brandonmtb]

If SAID company was about to ruin my career, I would definitely ask to speak to somebody other that the receptionist.

She was the TUE administrator...... I may be dumb but not that dumb... There were also a lot of other things like a TUE code that was on my ADAMS antidoping profile, which is a code that gets generated for a TUE.... The story is very involved would have to write for days explaining all the ins and outs.

[Blackbeard]

Do YOU speak to the CEO of a company to confirm the daily running of a business ?

Or do you speak to the people that "work" there ?

I would like you to focus Mousea: BS can speak to little green leprechauns if he wishes, but if he wanted to race legally while on testosterone he would have required a decision from a person or persons legally authorised to grant him a TUE after, and only after, fully considering all the merits of his application.

[Tubehunter]

It seems as if some of you are constantly questioning the integrity of BS's choice to take the meds or not.

 

Here is shortened list of other banned drugs, prohibited in and out of competition from the very same link in patchelicious's post above. Put your hands up if you have ever taken any of these and done any races (I dare you):

 

Advil tablets

Ashthavent syrup

Celestamine syrup and tabs

Demazin tabs

Flemeze syrup

Flusin

Linctifed

Nurofen

Sinumax

Sinu-med syrup and tabs

Vicks Medinite syrup

 

Yes as a pro is your job to know, but how far do you go when you have a medical doctor who has prescribed a banned drug to you as a professional cyclist, on his recommendation you take it up and contact SAIDS to inform them of this, requesting a TUE, attempting to follow their process?

(Also in a state of mixed emotion about this, feel it is appropriate for a ban, but think it is admirable of you to come on here and personally defend, explain and apologise for your actions BS, so that the majority of us actually know your version of events, even if it comes at the expense of some keyboard warriors shooting off their 'mouths'. Hoping this thread stays open long enough to get some useful info from SAIDS's side too.)

[Skubarra]

It does effect the reality though....would you rather them use their resources for testing or for promoting clean sport. I know what I will choose.

 

If you have effective education & procedures in place you would not waste resources & time on genuine "Oops, how did we get this wrong" cases which are bound to happen as well and can focus on the real cheats flying under the radar. It's about getting the balance right given your resources.