Brandon Stewart

[nathrix]

Can't say I agree with this. Not a big fan of this mob justice mentality.

 

Boycotting and badmouthing event organisers & sponsors who are contributing to our sport and have done nothing wrong themselves is almost as unethical in my view. They are not the ones breaking any rules.

I never said you must bad mouth them? I don't see how they contribute to cycling by allowing them back, in my eyes they support riders who have damaged cycling as a sport and welcoming them back with open arms. I just don't support them or their sponsors if they allow them back into events.

[Skubarra]

I never said you must bad mouth them? I don't see how they contribute to cycling by allowing them back, in my eyes they support riders who have damaged cycling as a sport and welcoming them back with open arms. I just don't support them or their sponsors if they allow them back into events.

 

Deciding not to enter a race that allows ex-dopers is your choice and I respect that.

 

Campaigning against such events by "putting pressure on sponsors" and "encouraging" others to do the same is A) wrong and B) may hurt innocent people.

 

imo organisations like UCI and CSA are the ones that have the mandate to punish offenders.

 

I know I'm swimming against the stream here but I'm not a big fan of the misguided vigilantism theme going in this thread. 

[Patchelicious]

Deciding not to enter a race that allows ex-dopers is your choice and I respect that.

 

Campaigning against such events by "putting pressure on sponsors" and "encouraging" others to do the same is A) wrong and B) may hurt innocent people.

 

imo organisations like UCI and CSA are the ones that have the mandate to punish offenders.

 

I know I'm swimming against the stream here but I'm not a big fan of the misguided vigilantism theme going in this thread.

Swimming against the stream is cool

 

These events have a choice, like all things in life.

They can either be a victim of their circumstance or see the opportunity.

 

If they read the current mood, and take a public and proactive stance against doping, their events will benefit additionally from those action.

[intern]

Can't say I agree with this. Not a big fan of this mob justice mentality.

 

Boycotting and badmouthing event organisers & sponsors who are contributing to our sport and have done nothing wrong themselves is almost as unethical in my view. They are not the ones breaking any rules.

That's definitely a fair comment Skubs. What Nathrix perhaps should have said is the same thing differently: I will choose not to support events and sponsors which welcome back/celebrate dopers. Pretty much the same thing and others can choose to be influenced by this principled stance all on their own.

[BarHugger]

That's definitely a fair comment Skubs. What Nathrix perhaps should have said is the same thing differently: I will choose not to support events and sponsors which welcome back/celebrate dopers. Pretty much the same thing and others can choose to be influenced by this principled stance all on their own.

You forgot to add a race result for us.......

[intern]

You forgot to add a race result for us.......

I once came stone last in the criterium the day before the Amashova. I was still pretty happy with the result, though, because I hung on to finish when I could have given up; very nearly got lapped, too.

As a practical joke Mark Beneke (I think it was) told some of the spectators, including Roberto Gnudi, that I was in the lead, so I had this huge crowd cheering me on at one of the far corners. Pretty funny I thought, of course, I didn't know that Roberto etc thought I was in the lead until afterwards.

 

Hope that helps. ;-)

[nathrix]

Deciding not to enter a race that allows ex-dopers is your choice and I respect that.

 

Campaigning against such events by "putting pressure on sponsors" and "encouraging" others to do the same is A) wrong and B) may hurt innocent people.

 

imo organisations like UCI and CSA are the ones that have the mandate to punish offenders.

 

I know I'm swimming against the stream here but I'm not a big fan of the misguided vigilantism theme going in this thread. 

 

What about those riders that didn't make the podium only to find out months later they were actually taken away the opportunity to stand on the podium - they are not in photos in magazines or the many online news articles? That's LOST publicity and lost potential sponsorship for them, lost potential income. Aaaaah well, sorry for them, sh!t happens, everyone move on,  let's welcome dopers back with open arms. Just take it on the chin as more and more people frown upon cycling as a sport because it's where all the dopers are, just another one that got sanctioned for two years. Great for the sport!

[Eldron]

I know I'm swimming against the stream here but I'm not a big fan of the misguided vigilantism theme going in this thread. 

 

I reckon there are ways of exerting "pressure" without being negative about it.

 

Race organisers main goal is to "please" their customers. If we the customers tell them politely that we prefer to ride their races without the spectre of dopers past around I reckon they'll be open to the idea.

 

It doesn't have to be the normal internet "WE WILL BOYCOTT YOUR FARKIN RACE UNTIL YOU BURN ALL THE DOPERS" style email.

 

A polite "we'd prefer it if you didn't allow known dopers to ride in your races" would do it.

 

More bees with honey and all that.

[JScottP]

What about those riders that didn't make the podium only to find out months later they were actually taken away the opportunity to stand on the podium - they are not in photos in magazines or the many online news articles? That's LOST publicity and lost potential sponsorship for them, lost potential income. Aaaaah well, sorry for them, **** happens, everyone move on,  let's welcome dopers back with open arms. Just take it on the chin as more and more people frown upon cycling as a sport because it's where all the dopers are, just another one that got sanctioned for two years. Great for the sport!

I don't think anyone is saying any of what you just said. By having people boycott and pressure the race organisers of those smaller races, not only will "clean" riders perhaps miss the chance of the podium but there might not actually be a race the following year. 

Cape Epic, S2C, Lesotho Sky etc. have all placed lifetime bans on ex dopers. Those are the races the riders make proper money. Someone already mentioned that sponsors are not going to sponsor riders who have no chance of getting into the "big" races, and it will be here that those riders who missed out on the podium, will be given that sponsorship and publicity. 

 

By all means boycott the race organisers, tell friends not to enter those races, but in all honesty, that anger and passion is being misdirected at someone who doesn't have a huge say in the matter.

[BarHugger]

I once came stone last in the criterium the day before the Amashova. I was still pretty happy with the result, though, because I hung on to finish when I could have given up; very nearly got lapped, too.

As a practical joke Mark Beneke (I think it was) told some of the spectators, including Roberto Gnudi, that I was in the lead, so I had this huge crowd cheering me on at one of the far corners. Pretty funny I thought, of course, I didn't know that Roberto etc thought I was in the lead until afterwards.

 

Hope that helps. ;-)

Just the fact that you entered a criterium makes your ballas bigger than mine......that is serious stuff......

[BarHugger]

What about those riders that didn't make the podium only to find out months later they were actually taken away the opportunity to stand on the podium - they are not in photos in magazines or the many online news articles? That's LOST publicity and lost potential sponsorship for them, lost potential income. Aaaaah well, sorry for them, **** happens, everyone move on,  let's welcome dopers back with open arms. Just take it on the chin as more and more people frown upon cycling as a sport because it's where all the dopers are, just another one that got sanctioned for two years. Great for the sport!

Lyk my daai tjommie van jou wat met die nat keorant geslaan was het in jou kop in geklim.......

[BarHugger]

 

Cape Epic, S2C, Lesotho Sky etc. 

Just to help you out.....Cape Epic took a stance....the rest followed like sheep harvesting a fan base......

[Jakkals.]

A criminal not allowed back into the world after a served sentenced? This doesnt add up.

 

I also think the masses doing these races...mid pack and back of the pack dont really care who is in front of them...they are enjoying the ride.

 

The pro's race against their peers, (also the omerta).

 

So it is the guy riding Tuesday to Sunday who feels cheated...?

 

****Flame-suit****

[nathrix]

Lyk my daai tjommie van jou wat met die nat keorant geslaan was het in jou kop in geklim.......

 

We don't talk much on rides, I bleed too much!

[burty]

Everyone makes mistakes it just shows up more with people in the spot light, the people complaining should look at there own mistakes first, worry about yourself,  forgive and move on 

[nathrix]

A criminal not allowed back into the world after a served sentenced? This doesnt add up.

 

I also think the masses doing these races...mid pack and back of the pack dont really care who is in front of them...they are enjoying the ride.

 

The pro's race against their peers, (also the omerta).

 

So it is the guy riding Tuesday to Sunday who feels cheated...?

 

****Flame-suit****

 

Depends on the crime doesn't it?