CY 187 761 Mazda Double Cab

[Guest Smimby]

Lekka storm in a tea-up here

Hehehe

 

Take a breath....

Relaaaaaxxxx.....

 

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Seriously? 

[Guest Smimby]

Sweeping nonsensical statement........

Next time you are in the queue at a cycling event look around at the other drivers

Secondly next time when out riding with the gang take note many cyclists use their cellphones while riding

He said "regularly" hence a cycling event is not a good measure.....and some buddies that do use their phone are also not regular riders....

 

They are the weekend riders, and don't commute hence the attitude.

[BDF]

So far:

OP sees someone breaking the law

OP advises said driver of this

Driver gets threatening and abusive

 

Hubbers' responses mixed between:

1. Attack OP saying he is "smug", self-righteous" and "pompous"

2. Support OP because he has the moral fortitude to speak up when he sees something wrong

3. Driver: either not on the Hub or ignoring the thread

 

Questions:

Do we laugh it off when we see crime committed?

Are we so conditioned to living with crime that it has become normal and "bad but acceptable"?

If we were victims of crime, would we be as accepting of it as we seem to be?

Do we take the risk of ridicule and do the right thing?

 

Just thinking "aloud"...

[Guest Smimby]

So far:

OP sees someone breaking the law

OP advises said driver of this

Driver gets threatening and abusive

 

Hubbers' responses mixed between:

1. Attack OP saying he is "smug", self-righteous" and "pompous"

2. Support OP because he has the moral fortitude to speak up when he sees something wrong

3. Driver: either not on the Hub or ignoring the thread

 

Questions:

Do we laugh it off when we see crime committed?

Are we so conditioned to living with crime that it has become normal and "bad but acceptable"?

If we were victims of crime, would we be as accepting of it as we seem to be?

Do we take the risk of ridicule and do the right thing?

 

Just thinking "aloud"...

What I was thinking....

[Dicky DQ]

This troll is leaving for now.

[Tubehunter]

Sweeping nonsensical statement........

Next time you are in the queue at a cycling event look around at the other drivers

Secondly next time when out riding with the gang take note many cyclists use their cellphones while riding

 

Here's another sweeping comment for you Krans. I don't cycle in a gang. 98% of my riding I prefer doing solo and the other cycling nuts I get to call cycling mates all share the view that driving and USING a cell phone is not even an option, let alone an educated debate.

 

But I'll follow that sweeping statement up with another just for you. This joint is known as THE HUB, which is a site that caters towards a cycling mindset and as much as we all have a wildly different perspective on what our own individual virtues and morals are, we do ALL share a commonality. Our collective @sses love to be on a saddle with 2 wheels beneath us. As a fellow 2 wheel enthusiast I take it you just love that on the edge feeling of impending death when a fellow driver unknowingly cruises by jabbering on his cell phone, missing you by a ball hair and you feel that rush of air then...  Warm and fuzzy for you perhaps. Me, not so much thanks...

[Guest Smimby]

Here's another sweeping comment for you Krans. I don't cycle in a gang. 98% of my riding I prefer doing solo and the other cycling nuts I get to call cycling mates all share the view that driving and USING a cell phone is not even an option, let alone an educated debate.

 

But I'll follow that sweeping statement up with another just for you. This joint is known as THE HUB, which is a site that caters towards a cycling mindset and as much as we all have a wildly different perspective on what our own individual virtues and morals are, we do ALL share a commonality. Our collective @sses love to be on a saddle with 2 wheels beneath us. As a fellow 2 wheel enthusiast I take it you just love that on the edge feeling of impending death when a fellow driver unknowingly cruises by jabbering on his cell phone, missing you by a ball hair and you feel that rush of air then...  Warm and fuzzy for you perhaps. Me, not so much thanks...

I KNOW exactly what you are talking about.....that rush of air, happens most days. Sometimes they are not even on their phone and I try and see why on earth they are not able to control their car....

[Blackbeard]

The law is not an opinion....

You'll change your view if you put 6 lawyers around a table .

[Ozzie NL]

I am fully on board with the issue of calling on a cell being dangerous behind the wheel and thus endangering others. Therefore it makes sense for it to be illegal.

 

However I do not see the rationale for driving without a seat belt being illegal. One only endangers oneself when doing so and I do not see any increased risk to any other road user. That leaves a potential argument around the cost of messing yourself up…but if you are privately insured, you effectively pay for this yourself.

 

That only leaves the (IMHO) flimsy argument that the non-wearing of a seat belt results in more people getting seriously hurt and thus would drive up the premium. In reality a serial non seatbelt wearer would probably booted out of his insurance prior to any impact on the overall economics of the insurance business.

 

So the question I have is whether making a seat belt compulsory is just a manifestation of a nanny state or is there a justification I am missing?

 

PS, I am not debating whether it is intelligent or not to wear your seat belt…and I do wear mine  

[Phatman]

I fully agree that it's wrong and dangerous to talk on a phone while driving. But when you berate someone for his action, then "point out that he's not wearing his seatbelt etc", that's just goading him into a more unpleasant reaction.

[BLACKvoodoo]

This is 'the Hub' , You can't say you like Ice cream without being labelled by someone else.

Yes, we share one thing but we are so very different.

[Nayr]

 

 

The wording of the official Regulations

 

 

 

This is actually quite a nice angle...don't talk to or text someone you know is driving.... never thought of it like that before

[marko35s]

I am fully on board with the issue of calling on a cell being dangerous behind the wheel and thus endangering others. Therefore it makes sense for it to be illegal.

 

However I do not see the rationale for driving without a seat belt being illegal. One only endangers oneself when doing so and I do not see any increased risk to any other road user. That leaves a potential argument around the cost of messing yourself up…but if you are privately insured, you effectively pay for this yourself.

 

That only leaves the (IMHO) flimsy argument that the non-wearing of a seat belt results in more people getting seriously hurt and thus would drive up the premium. In reality a serial non seatbelt wearer would probably booted out of his insurance prior to any impact on the overall economics of the insurance business.

 

So the question I have is whether making a seat belt compulsory is just a manifestation of a nanny state or is there a justification I am missing?

 

PS, I am not debating whether it is intelligent or not to wear your seat belt…and I do wear mine

The cost of repairing the non wearer?

[Hackster]

I can find an equal (if not greater) amount of "studies" that prove the opposite. Is that going to deter you from applying common sense when interpreting data from your "studies"? 

Well, post your contradicting studies then...

 

My own experience informs me that talking on a cell and a hands free are equally distracting.

 

If you read any of the studies quoted, you'll see that they make the point about it being 'distracted driving', and you're pretty much equally distracted whether on cell or hands-free.

 

So although there's no law against (yet), I try to avoid using either while driving. I confess I'm not 100% clean on this score.

 

This is probably the same reason why I have to ask my GF to stop talking to me when I'm trying to park. And the same reason why there were so many accidents on the M5 when that lingerie billboard was up a few years back.

 

If you're distracted, your driving is kukkerig.

[Tubehunter]

I smaak it stukkend that we are so different!

 

Would be really great when we get some collective action based on a shared principle and get all it's different flavours from our differences. You would think that cycling safety would be something we all subscribe to, however misplaced some of our rantings on it can be!

 

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[BBN]

#nasu, when you 'berate' someone it is more than just raising your voice at them; it implies loudly putting them down by insulting their character............slightly different to saying "Please put your phone down, it's illegal".