Cycling South Africa, Pedal Power Association reach agreement

[GoLefty!!]

Somehow I don't believe the csa "we want the money " campaign is over. This is just ceasefire for good pr

[paul_ct]

I wonder what the terms of the agreement were. I imagine going forward the CTCT just increases the entry price to cover the R6/cyclist and the day licence is added on too.

[GoLefty!!]

But only for csa members. I don't have a csa license and don't need one permanently.

[Tiny K]

Not sure I follow you - would you have preferred a situation where licensed riders are banned & fined for doing a funride?

 

Anyway, last year this rule was suspended, this year a deal was made for 2015 - so what will happen in 2016 onwards? Doesn't matter on whose side you are in this "problem", its obvious that the situation between PPA & CSA needs to be sorted out permanently otherwise we are just delaying the mess for another year.

 

I have been following this CSA vs PPA thing for a while now, and while I initially felt 'yay, the underdog won' for PPA last year, I get the feeling (more and more) that PPA is just a business and are really just as bad as (if not worse) than the 'money grabbing' CSA. 

 

I have a membership to CSA (think it was like R120 for the year) and it gives me great benefits should I be involved in an accident or crash. PPA gives me a seeded group race number... and that's about it. Everything else comes at a premium, and even getting the discounted race entry fee, it's still a lot of money to enter the races available.

 

What still bothers me is that PPA is charging R35 for a day license where CSA have indicated that they only charge R6 per rider per event - where does the other R29 go? I tried asking on vleisboek but PPA gave such a haphazard answer, it wasn't really clear... pretty much dodging the question.

 

Ultimately, as I have come to realise, PPA is for the weekend warrior (because there are loads of them) and NOT for the racing snakes. PPA were good once upon a time, but they have become lazy (in my opinion) and, as an apparent club, do not cater for all their members' needs.

[Skubarra]

I have been following this CSA vs PPA thing for a while now, and while I initially felt 'yay, the underdog won' for PPA last year, I get the feeling (more and more) that PPA is just a business and are really just as bad as (if not worse) than the 'money grabbing' CSA. 

 

I have a membership to CSA (think it was like R120 for the year) and it gives me great benefits should I be involved in an accident or crash. PPA gives me a seeded group race number... and that's about it. Everything else comes at a premium, and even getting the discounted race entry fee, it's still a lot of money to enter the races available.

 

What still bothers me is that PPA is charging R35 for a day license where CSA have indicated that they only charge R6 per rider per event - where does the other R29 go? I tried asking on vleisboek but PPA gave such a haphazard answer, it wasn't really clear... pretty much dodging the question.

 

Ultimately, as I have come to realise, PPA is for the weekend warrior (because there are loads of them) and NOT for the racing snakes. PPA were good once upon a time, but they have become lazy (in my opinion) and, as an apparent club, do not cater for all their members' needs.

 

Like GoLefty said - it's only a ceasefire. Again, would you prefer the cyclists to suffer while the administrators fight their petty battles?

 

PS What other benefits are there to the average funrider for taking out CSA membership other than the R38 policy that you are forced to take out?

[Velouria]

Ultimately, as I have come to realise, PPA is for the weekend warrior (because there are loads of them) and NOT for the racing snakes. 

 We're all weekend warriors, unless we actually get paid to ride our bikes. We might think we're race snakes, but we're just weekend warriors that go a little faster than the average weekend warrior.

 

If going to work entails pinning a number on your back and wearing tight clothing, you're a racing, otherwise we're just fun riders.

 

I also think we don't realise just how well off we are with the number of races that us ordinary folk can do. You'll be hard pressed to find an event calendar like ours anywhere else in the world that attracts the real race snakes and weekend warriors.

[Tiny K]

Like GoLefty said - it's only a ceasefire. Again, would you prefer the cyclists to suffer while the administrators fight their petty battles?

 

PS What other benefits are there to the average funrider for taking out CSA membership other than the R38 policy that you are forced to take out?

 

each member receives R20,000 medical cover as a benefit of their membership; as well as free claim administration of the Road Accident Fund should they be involved in an accident with a vehicle

[Tiny K]

 We're all weekend warriors, unless we actually get paid to ride our bikes. We might think we're race snakes, but we're just weekend warriors that go a little faster than the average weekend warrior.

 

If going to work entails pinning a number on your back and wearing tight clothing, you're a racing, otherwise we're just fun riders.

 

I also think we don't realise just how well off we are with the number of races that us ordinary folk can do. You'll be hard pressed to find an event calendar like ours anywhere else in the world that attracts the real race snakes and weekend warriors.

 

and that is the exact mentality that has us top end cyclists doing the same thing ever weekend and why we don't have competitive top end cyclists staying in SA...

 

The only event attracting the real race snakes is the World Funride Champs - and they'll do the Tour de Boland or Cape Rouleur as an extended stay

[Skubarra]

each member receives R20,000 medical cover as a benefit of their membership; as well as free claim administration of the Road Accident Fund should they be involved in an accident with a vehicle

 

Yes, we pay R38 for that, what do we get for the rest of the money other than not having to take out day memberships when entering a race?

[Velouria]

and that is the exact mentality that has us top end cyclists doing the same thing ever weekend and why we don't have competitive top end cyclists staying in SA...

 

The only event attracting the real race snakes is the World Funride Champs - and they'll do the Tour de Boland or Cape Rouleur as an extended stay

We're not top end cyclists. We're big fish in a small pond here in the Western Cape.

 

I'd say that the only event attracting the real race snakes is Nationals. If Fun Rider World Champs is the epitome of racing in South Africa we are in quite a dire state. I reckon it's the other way round - the race snakes come to do TdB and stay on to do the CTCT...

 

And yet, we have a real South African team riding the Tour de France this year. Despite (or because of) the way cycling is run, we are still able to produce world class riders, managers, soigneurs etc. 

[The Guy in Pink]

 

 

What still bothers me is that PPA is charging R35 for a day license where CSA have indicated that they only charge R6 per rider per event - where does the other R29 go? I tried asking on vleisboek but PPA gave such a haphazard answer, it wasn't really clear... pretty much dodging the question.

 

I Think you will find R6.00 goes to CSA and the R29 to the (Western) provincial association.

[Dicky DQ]

I have been following this CSA vs PPA thing for a while now, and while I initially felt 'yay, the underdog won' for PPA last year, I get the feeling (more and more) that PPA is just a business and are really just as bad as (if not worse) than the 'money grabbing' CSA. 

 

I have a membership to CSA (think it was like R120 for the year) and it gives me great benefits should I be involved in an accident or crash. PPA gives me a seeded group race number... and that's about it. Everything else comes at a premium, and even getting the discounted race entry fee, it's still a lot of money to enter the races available.

 

What still bothers me is that PPA is charging R35 for a day license where CSA have indicated that they only charge R6 per rider per event - where does the other R29 go? I tried asking on vleisboek but PPA gave such a haphazard answer, it wasn't really clear... pretty much dodging the question.

 

Ultimately, as I have come to realise, PPA is for the weekend warrior (because there are loads of them) and NOT for the racing snakes. PPA were good once upon a time, but they have become lazy (in my opinion) and, as an apparent club, do not cater for all their members' needs.

You are mistaken, so lets clear it up for you. R 6.00 is per rider that has a CSA licence Full race or social/club membership/licence. the R 35.00 is for riders taking part in a CSA sanctioned event that do not have a licence.

 

E.g. I pay my R 120.00 to CSA and every event organizer has to pay CSA R6.00 every time I take part in a CSA sanctioned event.

 

I do not pay my R 120.00 to CSA and the event organizer has to pay CSA R 35.00 every time I take part in a CSA sanctioned event.

[Tiny K]

You are mistaken, so lets clear it up for you. R 6.00 is per rider that has a CSA licence Full race or social/club membership/licence. the R 35.00 is for riders taking part in a CSA sanctioned event that do not have a licence.

 

E.g. I pay my R 120.00 to CSA and every event organizer has to pay CSA R6.00 every time I take part in a CSA sanctioned event.

 

I do not pay my R 120.00 to CSA and the event organizer has to pay CSA R 35.00 every time I take part in a CSA sanctioned event.

 

So, you enter a race as a non-csa member. The event organiser charges you R35 of which R6 goes to CSA (regardless of whether you are a CSA member or not)... what happens to the other R29 that the non-CSA member pays?

[paul_ct]

R35 goes to CSA as your day license (if you're not a CSA member).

 

The organiser pays R6 per rider, on top of that, also to CSA, to have the race sanctioned.

 

Edit: bits

Edited February 24, 2015 by paul_ct

[Icycling]

When PPA were part of CSA before the “fall out” as a PPA member you also were part of the bigger CSA membership and your PPA anual membership was increased to cover your CSA membership which is now R120.00 (then I think PPA had it initially negotiated at R65.00) - did PPA every reduce their PPA anual membership fee after the “fall out”?

Possibly an accountant can look at the finical from years gone bye which I think maybe on the PPA web site to confirm what happened! Or is this just another case well PPA is a business?

Edited February 24, 2015 by Icycling

[GoLefty!!]

PPA is a business, a non profit business. Get over it.