SRAM GX vs SHIMANO XT 1x11

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

*** man, 2:1...nuff said. XT shifts quicker

BAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

Dude. Nice try

 

Personally, I find the SRAM shift to be a bit more crisp. More "positive" to use the automotive reference (gearbox action) than the Shimano stuff. They still both do the job wonderfully, but I feel that the SRAM stuff takes its job more seriously. 

 

Sort of "yes Sir, right away Sir" rather than quietly getting along with it. 

 

EDIT: This is going from x7/x9 mix to XTR (older 9 speed) to SLX/XT

[JXV]

Why? Is the thread start point moving around? This would be unusual since all machined threads that start at a fixed point end at the same point everytime

Machining tolerances on the free hub and lock ring itself would take different amounts of rotation to tighten the lock ring to any given torque...even if it only differs by a portion of a tooth. And chain tension would tighten it differently with use....thinking a 115kg buffalo vs 60kg racing snake standing on the pedals.

 

There would have to be a special way (maybe a grub screw or key) to lock the integrated small cog/lockring onto the correct position on the hub to line it up with the other cogs.

 

Also, a 9t has only 4t to 5t of chain wrap (depending RD setup) so I reckon it would wear quite fast. As it is, the 11t cogs are usually the first to go on my cassettes.

 

Nice idea though to have a 10t or 9t on standard freehub

[raptor-22]

I was wondering that as well. Given that there's a torque setting on the nut and the surfaces should be clear of grit / obstruction etc it shold end at the same place every time. Unless there's no torque and you just moer it. 

 

 

Even if there was a bit of grit it wouldn't matter too much. Its a single start thread so it starts and ends at the same place every time. Besides the position of the shift ramp is not so critical on such a small sprocket so if it's out a little this way or that its no biggy. I would venture to say that a SRAM like missing tooth "gate" followed by a ramp profiled profiled tooth would be more effective on the 10 than a full set of shift ramps.

 

I wonder if it is a missing tooth type shift gate? Then I would be a 10T sprocket but with 11T diameter and hence no real gearing range benefit

[JXV]

I was wondering that as well. Given that there's a torque setting on the nut and the surfaces should be clear of grit / obstruction etc it shold end at the same place every time. Unless there's no torque and you just moer it.

Manufacturing tolerances. I bet 4 different lock rings tightened to same torque would each have to be turned a slightly different amount....but the small cog must line up with the rest of the cassette so if it was integral with the lockring then there would have to be some other method to hold the tooth alignment and secure the cassette. Remember this is for standard freehub bodies so you can only change the cassette parts...not the many different makes of freehub onto which it attaches.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Could reduce the flange size of the lock ring, and integrate the 10t & 11t/12t into one single unit to lend the (inevitably) tiny profile of the 10t more strength than it would have if it were a separate item...

 

Anyway. It's all conjecture until we actually SEE it. And it's not on the site yet, nor anywhere else.  

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I do like this bit though

 

"The top three cogs will be aluminum and replacement parts will be available separately."

[usxorf]

My argument for sram is gripshift [emoji1]. Gx shifter, mech + shimano chain and cassette. Parts arriving in two weeks or so.

[raptor-22]

The GX1 gripshifter does feel very much like the XO1 or XX1 units. It's got such  a lovely shift action.

[raptor-22]

Could reduce the flange size of the lock ring, and integrate the 10t & 11t/12t into one single unit to lend the (inevitably) tiny profile of the 10t more strength than it would have if it were a separate item...

 

Anyway. It's all conjecture until we actually SEE it. And it's not on the site yet, nor anywhere else.  

 

 

Yes that could also work

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

The GX1 gripshifter does feel very much like the XO1 or XX1 units. It's got such  a lovely shift action.

I loved my grippie when I had it. Only went back to paddles cos of the cost... 

[raptor-22]

I loved my grippie when I had it. Only went back to paddles cos of the cost... 

 

 

I haven't priced gripshift vs paddle shift recently. Is the paddle shifter a lot cheaper?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I haven't priced gripshift vs paddle shift recently. Is the paddle shifter a lot cheaper?

not at the same level, no. Not really... it's just that up until GX, the only level available was X0/XX

[Brawler]

In a perfect world I would probably go for Gx just because it looks better and it definitely has some more coolness points amongst the boys (sarcasm).

 

Seriously though I will probably just go with XT 11 as I am on XT 10 incl crank now and it has been the most solid setup I have ever had. Shifts fast and precise every time without fail. When I change gear I pedal hard without hesitation as I used to with my SRAM X9 setup that would grind a bit before I would go anywhere

 

The whole SRAM hub issue also just puts me off. 

[nickc]

BAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

Dude. Nice try

 

Personally, I find the SRAM shift to be a bit more crisp. More "positive" to use the automotive reference (gearbox action) than the Shimano stuff. They still both do the job wonderfully, but I feel that the SRAM stuff takes its job more seriously. 

 

Sort of "yes Sir, right away Sir" rather than quietly getting along with it. 

 

EDIT: This is going from x7/x9 mix to XTR (older 9 speed) to SLX/XT

Rode XT for years and got tired of everytime the conditions were bad after 50 or 60 k`s my XT would become a single speed.

 

Changed to Sram X9 then X0 and now X01 and have never looked back.

 

Do like the idea of the Shimano 11 speed cassette without needing a adapter but as I said got tired of waiting for it to arrive.

 

The new GX 10 - 42t is a monster

[ians H2Sport]

just received my orders:

 

GX1000 1X GXP from CRC

XT 1x11 upgrade kit from Evo - Shifter, Cassette (11-40) , Chain, derailleur

Hope they work well together - chainring has 'Sram chain only' printed on it

[raptor-22]

makes no difference.