Bianchisti Posted June 8, 2015 Share They should scrap the minimum bike weight limit and introduce a minimum rider weight limit. Lets say a round number like, 80Some of them will be classified obese at 80kgs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bob Posted June 9, 2015 Share Full Panorama doco now loaded on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a61rS4jN3As Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cargyrl Posted June 10, 2015 Share The documentary is depressing, also shows how endemic doping can/has become in the amateur ranks. "Clean" does not mean they are not micro dosing, some pro's have mentioned it for a long time now. They are way ahead of the curve on testing, even better than other sporting codes. Pro's and amateurs alike. HOWEVER, I ride because I need to train, I train for health benefits, doping would neutralise that and probably have a negative effect on my health in the short and/or long term. At my level, who cares if I come 10th or 20th in my age group, it is good to just ride. I also do not care if others dope in the amateur ranks, their choices and their health/life. In the pro ranks not so much, if you get caught you should probably face serious consequences, such as a possible jail sentence if proven, now that becomes sticky, because in the court of law, circumstantial evidence is not enough to shift the burden of proof by the state to ensure a conviction. The sporting codes and legislature will have to beef up the laws in order to fix this "loophole" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianchisti Posted June 10, 2015 Share When Berto got caught for Glenbutorol one side of the argument was that the dose found in his system was not enough to enhance the performance of a little mouse. It gave credibility to his defence of contamination and minute traces making it through the beef into his system. Impey used the contamination defence as well. Suggesting the chemist who sold him something had earlier in the day handled the banned substance. Actually "proofed" this with receipts. We know all about LA' back dated medical certificates now. Bringing me to the issue of micro dosing. I'm wondering how many of these guys are doing it with the argument that if it's not altering the passport then surely it's not illegal right? It must be within the rules same as lightweight bikes are allowed but to a limit of 6.8kgs. Not altering the passport in their minds is therefore within the limits of what's allowed. Just speculating as to their mentality. I would be very surprised if anyone is clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted June 10, 2015 Share When Berto got caught for Glenbutorol one side of the argument was that the dose found in his system was not enough to enhance the performance of a little mouse. It gave credibility to his defence of contamination and minute traces making it through the beef into his system. Impey used the contamination defence as well. Suggesting the chemist who sold him something had earlier in the day handled the banned substance. Actually "proofed" this with receipts. We know all about LA' back dated medical certificates now. Bringing me to the issue of micro dosing. I'm wondering how many of these guys are doing it with the argument that if it's not altering the passport then surely it's not illegal right? It must be within the rules same as lightweight bikes are allowed but to a limit of 6.8kgs. Not altering the passport in their minds is therefore within the limits of what's allowed. Just speculating as to their mentality. I would be very surprised if anyone is clean. I remember reading an article sometime back on the Spanish views on doping... basically it was a matter of don't get caught and all is good. The analogy which was brought up, I thought was pretty interesting: Richie McCaw... hands in the ruck, sneaky tactics etc on the Rugby field. He is basically "cheating", but many consider him one of the greatest players of all time. It is after all "part of the game". Is doping in cycling just "part of the game" I think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rouxtjie Posted June 10, 2015 Share I remember reading an article sometime back on the Spanish views on doping... basically it was a matter of don't get caught and all is good. The analogy which was brought up, I thought was pretty interesting: Richie McCaw... hands in the ruck, sneaky tactics etc on the Rugby field. He is basically "cheating", but many consider him one of the greatest players of all time. It is after all "part of the game". Is doping in cycling just "part of the game" I think so Like using lavahounds in war....its almost like cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted June 10, 2015 Share Like using lavahounds in war....its almost like cheating Hahaha... you're sure gonna confuse a lot of people with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rouxtjie Posted June 10, 2015 Share Hahaha... you're sure gonna confuse a lot of people with this 2 words....mshini wami....just to really confuse people now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted June 10, 2015 Share 2 words....mshini wami....just to really confuse people now. Careful admin doesn't go Primal on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VicanZA Posted June 10, 2015 Share they ALL do it, even some weekend worriers to grab a KOM or 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted June 10, 2015 Share How much does this 'micro dosing' cost, I mean is it really within reach of the average amateur? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted June 10, 2015 Share How much does this 'micro dosing' cost, I mean is it really within reach of the average amateur? I saw some suspicious results in the 70-74 age group at a recent 70.3 and wondered the same thing, I saw one of the guys and he does not look that old at all.... and I don't think he is using a forged passport either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Steer Posted June 10, 2015 Share I saw some suspicious results in the 70-74 age group at a recent 70.3 and wondered the same thing, I saw one of the guys and he does not look that old at all.... and I don't think he is using a forged passport either He must be in high demand as a model for the HGH anti-ageing movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianchisti Posted June 10, 2015 Share How much does this 'micro dosing' cost, I mean is it really within reach of the average amateur?Was wondering too. This is what Google revealed. It's as simple as going online and buying there according to the author of OP article. He did have his EPO tested by a lab to confirm it's in fact the real deal before administering, so his not a complete idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianchisti Posted June 10, 2015 Share The above pricing packages not making any sense whatsoever is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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