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Maybe...look the rand is nailing us...no two ways. Also Niner isn't exactly giant(no offense to giant owners they are great bikes). You will always pay more for the niche brands. Value is mos maar relative.

 

I will never be able to afford the shoot the lights out model....but if I had they money, boom I would get one.

That's why we do our best with our star ratings to allow for the different depth pockets of riders :)

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Fortunately, you get seat post after market bottle cages now days for some of the more thirsty riders 

Sure you do get seat post mounts - but they are tricky with dropper posts (if for some reason one chooses to use such a thing) , and using them in most conditions means a VERY dirty bottle after 20k, and you lose a good storage location for tools/spares etc under the seat.

 

Having 2 bottles within the frame was a mandatory requirement for me when selecting a new bike earlier this year (based on  a couple of muddy epic stages and a post mounted bottle on the previous bike)

 

I admit that packaging of a second bottle is tricky using that suspension layout (but possible - look at the Pyga stage) , but to prefer looks over functionality.... (and I do like the looks of it), but when it comes to putting down that kind of cash I would feel somewhat short changed - just as I did on my previous race bike - and it's handling would have to be markedly improved over anything else to make that sacrifice again, and I am happy to try out one of your test bikes to see if I should :)

 

Of course - shorter course racing (under 2 hours) - different ballpark entirely.

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Maybe...look the rand is nailing us...no two ways. Also Niner isn't exactly giant(no offense to giant owners they are great bikes). You will always pay more for the niche brands. Value is mos maar relative.

 

I will never be able to afford the shoot the lights out model....but if I had they money, boom I would get one.

The question for me is always the same: are you paying for hype and name rather than performance?

I think for resale, brand name is important, but if I can ride a bike at half the price with 90% of the "name brand" capabilities - That's the one I go for.

 

I believe that performance is 80% rider based.

 

Having said that, I would love a NINER...

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The question for me is always the same: are you paying for hype and name rather than performance?

I think for resale, brand name is important, but if I can ride a bike at half the price with 90% of the "name brand" capabilities - That's the one I go for.

 

I believe that performance is 80% rider based.

 

Having said that, I would love a NINER...

ja that old law of diminishing returns....again value is relative. One also have to ask why is there hype and name around something.

 

A ferrari / merc / datsun champ will all get you from A to B. 

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That's why we do our best with our star ratings to allow for the different depth pockets of riders :)

Look, I'm not riding you guys in particular, but that's a bit naive from the bike industry.  How many people's pockets have an entry depth of R65k?

 

If bike prices keep increasing at currency based inflation, plus whatever is added at source, yet incomes only go up with CPI-linked figures, the market for new bikes will inevitably all but vanish.  The one train is just simply faster than the other and will move ahead ever faster.

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Look, I'm not riding you guys in particular, but that's a bit naive from the bike industry.  How many people's pockets have an entry depth of R65k?

 

If bike prices keep increasing at currency based inflation, plus whatever is added at source, yet incomes only go up with CPI-linked figures, the market for new bikes will inevitably all but vanish.  The one train is just simply faster than the other and will move ahead ever faster.

If you go to one of the local nissan races....almost everyone...and then some

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If you go to one of the local nissan races....almost everyone...and then some

Yes, as I said, I am totally open to the realisation that people just spend waaaaaay more on bikes that either I am able to or they really should be.  Never let a bit of financial prudence get in the way of a good time.

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Yes, as I said, I am totally open to the realisation that people just spend waaaaaay more on bikes that either I am able to or they really should be.  Never let a bit of financial prudence get in the way of a good time.

 

This isn't isolated to cycling...every hobby has its price..

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The question for me is always the same: are you paying for hype and name rather than performance?

I think for resale, brand name is important, but if I can ride a bike at half the price with 90% of the "name brand" capabilities - That's the one I go for.

 

I believe that performance is 80% rider based.

 

Having said that, I would love a NINER...

Well fortunately they only a click away now :) Trust us, just like you, we wish the ZAR would #PedalDamnIt!

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Then again, with 15% real inflation on bikes due to currency creep it's no surprise that 2013's R30k bike is now 2016's R44k bike.  Just strange that the spec is pound for pound worse than it was in 2013 despite all the advances made in drivetrains etc.

If only the ZAR would #PedalDamnIt! :D Maybe one day. We all live in hope as importers, consumers, holiday makers and more.

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ok so just asking how come

 

 

3-Star XT 1X - R78,999.00

 

3-Star XT 2X - R81,899.00

 

but specs look identical ...is it a typo ?? 

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