Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 NonsenseNot really, dude. They have faaar less modulation than the SRAM or Avid, as well as Hopes. They just have less. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you like. But with SRAM and other brakes that just have better modulation, you're able to control the power delivery far more efficiently than you can on the Shimanos. I *think* it's due to the ServoWave design thing, but could be wrong. Point is - SRAM & AVID are better at modulation than Shimano. Fact.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Shimano ice-tec discs run noticeably cooler than others reducing heat stress on the whole system so they get my vote for any caliper system that fits. Personally I would consider SRAM Guides, any Shimano brakes and Hope. Nothing else.100% agreed. Oh, and Formula R1 (NOT C1) and I'd LOVE to try the new Maguras...
banna Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 XT / SLX if you want an on/off switch for your brakes. Stop stirring Armpies. Not Friday yet.... I only have good things to say about XT. They just work very well.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Stop stirring Armpies. Not Friday yet.... I only have good things to say about XT. They just work very well.That they do. They provide loads of power, and the lever itself is very well designed for one finger braking. As is the SLX / Deore / Saint etc etc. I LOVE the ice-tech rotors. They're probably my next purchase, as I have the stock SLX ones and they can get a bit warm after a few runs down Paarl and Jonkers. Plus they look lank kieff, ekse! I'm just saying that they don't have nearly the same level of modulation that you get on the SRAM goodies. 2 totally different feels.
JXV Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Not really, dude. They have faaar less modulation than the SRAM or Avid, as well as Hopes. They just have less. Nothing wrong with that, if that's what you like. But with SRAM and other brakes that just have better modulation, you're able to control the power delivery far more efficiently than you can on the Shimanos. I *think* it's due to the ServoWave design thing, but could be wrong. Point is - SRAM & AVID are better at modulation than Shimano. Fact.Disagree Myles. If YOU get on Shimano brakes when you are used to other levers with more modulation (i.e. less sensitive) then YOU will have a problem controlling tgem until you get used to them. Like braking in a car with your left foot...you go thru the windscreen. But your right foot has learned to do it properly...... So its not that Shimano brakes have poor modulation, its just that riders who previously used other types need to get used to them because they are more sensitive and need a lighter touch.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Disagree Myles. If YOU get on Shimano brakes when you are used to other levers with more modulation (i.e. less sensitive) then YOU will have a problem controlling tgem until you get used to them. Like braking in a car with your left foot...you go thru the windscreen. But your right foot has learned to do it properly...... So its not that Shimano brakes have poor modulation, its just that riders who previously used other types need to get used to them because they are more sensitive and need a lighter touch.Exactly - they have less modulation in their power delivery. Very narrow, vs the wider band of modulation on the other brakes.
JXV Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Exactly - they have less modulation in their power delivery. Very narrow, vs the wider band of modulation on the other brakes.Ja and it only takes about 3 rides for your fingers/brain to adjust....then you never want to go back to that slightly sloppy SRAM feel again [emoji12]
banna Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 I'm just saying that they don't have nearly the same level of modulation that you get on the SRAM goodies. 2 totally different feels. Hmmm...maybe I've been riding XT for too long. But the reason I moved to Shimano (a long time ago) was that the Avid/SRAM's of that period, didn't have the modulation/"feel" I was looking for. I like to feather brakes and not jump onto the brakes at the last moment and XT gives that ability to me in heaps. But ok, so maybe SRAM has caught up to Shimano (and according to you surpassed them). Will have to check for myself.
raptor-22 Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 I find xtr trail and I XT to have excellent modulation. The xtr race is more on / off.The sram guide range and the hope xc4 have the best modulation but calling Shimano's on / off switches is almost as funny as wide bars and short stems for everything
Showtime Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Ja and it only takes about 3 rides for your fingers/brain to adjust....then you never want to go back to that slightly sloppy SRAM feel again [emoji12] Jip your fine motor skills would need to be pretty deficient if you can't get anything between a lock up and nothing with XT brakes. The best lever control was on the Magura MTS brakes that came with my bike though. I had great control over the pitch of the noise they made but unfortunately they couldn't slow the bike down.
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Ja and it only takes about 3 rides for your fingers/brain to adjust....then you never want to go back to that slightly sloppy SRAM feel again [emoji12]LOL. I like the modulation... And you're right, it only takes a few rides to get used to them. But when I went back to the SRAMs, it was like going back to a rare steak after having to settle for medium.
RockCoach Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Hope FTW. Properly engineered components still machined in the UK from solid billets of ally. Every part readily available to rebuild (we get all the Hope warranties and I can't remember when last we had to do this though). Even the SRAM Guides on our demo Stage have much less modulation. Avid Juicy were okay. Avoid the Elixirs.Shimano works okay until it stops working and then you have to throw them in the bin (especially XT).Formula are great brakes once you get them set up. But really finicky. Same with Magura. Even if you gave me any other brakesets for free I'd still buy Hope. You only realise how good they are once you've ridden others.
nonky Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Don't get a dot fluid system. Mineral oil is less corrosive. In terms of long term serviceability and easy maintenance, get shimano slx. I know at least 4 people who are on brake lever number 4 to 7 with XTR..... That being said, Formula have amazing stopping power and are relatively light (should you be a weight weenie). not the C1..... But not mechanical and not avids. Bled, maintained and looked after all the rest will stop you. If you are asking this question I would hazard a guess you are either taking the piss or do not have the skills to be bombing the bouble black at Jonkers, so pretty much anything you get will work for now... just saying NOT Formula C1 - had endless trouble with mine.
Dikc Posted February 4, 2016 Author Posted February 4, 2016 Tektro isn't great but I don't rate them as the worst....that would be Avid for me. Woah, Iv only heard people rave about Avid, please explain!
banna Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Woah, Iv only heard people rave about Avid, please explain!Hehe... I just knew this was gonna turn into a "Friday" fight. Later dudes. My brakes are better than yours.
Odinson Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 I've currently got a set of Avid DB-3 on my bike and they've been behaving so far. Good modulation and good stopping power. Only two issues so far: in the wet, they lose a lot of braking power (different pads might be able to sort this out) and the rear squeals like an emaciated pig, despite my efforts to get it to stop. I definitely wouldn't choose these Avids as an upgrade to my bike.
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