jcza Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Thats like saying it wasn't Postal, it was Lance. I thought that the general consensus is that Lance was the bully?
carbon29er Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Wasn't Nibs, was the team. See also Landa, Mikel. Astana = BadRiders = GoodLanda couldn't handle whatever he took and got off after the 1st rest day. Must have been something Sky cooked at the BBQ. Makes no difference to me, I still enjoy the spectacle and how talented they are and how much pain they absorb. But please let's avoid the "What proof do you have?" line. Just look at Sir 5 years after he performed.
Nibali Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Do you watch the races? Remember his visit to his private doctor for acupuncture? And suddenly he makes up the huge time deficit. After being dropped on earlier mountainousness stages? No harm in being a fan of the guy. But please don't pretend the guy has never used a doctor to aid his performance. I'm not going to get involved in a speculative argument. Show me facts that he doped and I will retract my support of Nibbles. But till then I will remain a fan.
jcza Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Landa couldn't handle whatever he took and got off after the 1st rest day. Must have been something Sky cooked at the BBQ. Makes no difference to me, I still enjoy the spectacle and how talented they are and how much pain they absorb. But please let's avoid the "What proof do you have?" line. Just look at Sir 5 years after he performed. Last positive on the world tour was Paolini (I think)... cleaner peloton or clueless testers?
carbon29er Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I'm not going to get involved in a speculative argument. Show me facts that he doped and I will retract my support of Nibbles. But till then I will remain a fan.Not telling you to retract your support. I too have a number of riders I really enjoy watching and cheer on. From when Armstrong started doping until 2012 there was no evidence he doped. Even when he was banned for life there was still no PHYSICAL evidence he doped. Hell, they banned him despite that. It is extremely naive, in my opinion, to think that anyone capable of winning a Grand Tour has not used substances or methods that we don't use to ride around the block a few times a week. History has shown us this.
Pure Savage Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I'm not going to get involved in a speculative argument. Show me facts that he doped and I will retract my support of Nibbles. But till then I will remain a fan. pssss you can be a fan of a doper as well. Look at all the Lance fans, they dont care. USA USA
Patchelicious Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Last positive on the world tour was Paolini (I think)... cleaner peloton or clueless testers? Paolini wasn't dirty, he was fun!
Long Wheel Base Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I imagine you think he made up 5 minutes over 2 stages last year because he changed his crank length? Honestly, there's nothing suspicious about Nibali and those paragons of a clean peloton Astana? Remind me of your views on the oft trotted out line: I've never tested positive.I see that is Lizzie's favorite answer............
carbon29er Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Last positive on the world tour was Paolini (I think)... cleaner peloton or clueless testers? Better doctors. But they cost a lot. I think it's common cause that you buy knowledge to stay clean in the tests. It's just strange that amateurs and vets are getting popped but not pros.
Patchelicious Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I'm not going to get involved in a speculative argument. Show me facts that he doped and I will retract my support of Nibbles. But till then I will remain a fan.No speculation is needed about Team Astana's doping history. Show me facts and I will believe that god exists
jcza Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Is there no fantasy compo? Where do we list our predictions and embarrass ourselves?
Nibali Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Not telling you to retract your support. I too have a number of riders I really enjoy watching and cheer on. From when Armstrong started doping until 2012 there was no evidence he doped. Even when he was banned for life there was still no PHYSICAL evidence he doped. Hell, they banned him despite that. It is extremely naive, in my opinion, to think that anyone capable of winning a Grand Tour has not used substances or methods that we don't use to ride around the block a few times a week. History has shown us this. Fair enough. I'm still not going to join a speculative argument though.
Pure Savage Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 If we look at results, we can confirm that Cannondale Dracpac is definitely not doping!
Nibali Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 No speculation is needed about Team Astana's doping history. Show me facts and I will believe that god exists I'm definitely not going to get involved in this one on this platform. But PM me anytime if you would like to discuss (the second statement...)
Patchelicious Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 Fair enough. I'm still not going to join a speculative argument though.I'll remember you said that on the next SKY thread
carbon29er Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 I see that is Lizzie's favorite answer............That and I don't want to talk about my missed tests.... Classic fark off you stupid fans.
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