Motorists: Different levels of retardedness

[Dirkitech]

Surprisingly the majority of cycling deaths occur in rural areas, not the major cities.

Not surprising to me, how many cyclists do you see in major cities vs urban/rural areas? Heck, I dont think i've ever seen a cyclist in jhb cbd.

 

I hope you sprayed her with pepper spray.

 

Jokes. I wasn't being serious. Please don't spray sweet old dears with mace

He totally should have. I carry pepper spray and it saved me from some dogs before, but I will gladly use it on a lawbreaking motorvehicle driver that shouts profanity through their window. This same driver is the driver that cusses at taxis in private but puts on a poker face when a taxi harasses them on the road, but they keep their traps shut towards taxis out of fear and unfortunately that fear is what is keeping the taxi above retaliation.

 

 

What I AM finding is that out of towners are most of the time not aware of the 1m space bylaw.

 

Which out of towners? 1m space bylaw is country wide as far as I'm informed, and I would assume its the same on paper in most countries with half a government. Thats why Headshot's comment below applies imo.

Its not just the visitors. Taxi's appear to delight in passing bikes as close as possible. On my weekend jaunt, I noticed it and my wife who did the same route earlier in the morning said she noticed the same.

[carbon29er]

Which out of towners? 1m space bylaw is country wide as far as I'm informed, and I would assume its the same on paper in most countries with half a government. Thats why Headshot's comment below applies imo.

The one metre passing law only applies in Western Cape. Distance is not specified in National Regulations. Legally a motorist can pass within a centimetre in the other provinces, as long as they deem it to be safe.

[Dirkitech]

The one metre passing law only applies in Western Cape. Distance is not specified in National Regulations. Legally a motorist can pass within a centimetre in the other provinces, as long as they deem it to be safe.

i havent read the cape by laws but i have read gauteng by laws and the 1m rule applies

[carbon29er]

i havent read the cape by laws but i have read gauteng by laws and the 1m rule applies

Please highlight the section where that has been promulgated.

 

We have been campaigning for a legally enforceable passing distance for years and it will be great if the Gauteng Provincial Administration have passed such a law. With no publicity at all.

 

No point just saying you have read it and it applies.

[Dirkitech]

Please highlight the section where that has been promulgated.

 

We have been campaigning for a legally enforceable passing distance for years and it will be great if the Gauteng Provincial Administration have passed such a law. With no publicity at all.

 

No point just saying you have read it and it applies.

its already legally enforcable, so go find it. I looked through the 2 docs i have on hand and neither have the cycling bylaws. if i have time to look at home i will, but do the research yourself.

no point just saying you campaign for something and you don't do your research to worlds end

[carbon29er]

its already legally enforcable, so go find it. I looked through the 2 docs i have on hand and neither have the cycling bylaws. if i have time to look at home i will, but do the research yourself.

no point just saying you campaign for something and you don't do your research to worlds end

I read once somewhere that people post opinions on the internet as fact and when asked to provide a source they tell the asker to go find it himself but for the life of me I can't remember where I read this.

 

No amount of doing my own research into your BS fact will find it as it does not exist.  The mere fact that you tell me I must go find it myself is a pretty strong indicator that you actually have no idea and what you are publishing here as the law is actually just a figment of your imagination.

 

FACT: On Thursday, 29 November 2012, the Provincial Legislature passed the Western Cape Provincial Road Traffic Act. Find it here. No other Province has yet passed any law that requires motorists to pass cyclists with a specified gap. The National Road Traffic Act, 1996 [No. 93 of 1996] makes absolutely no mention of a minimum passing distance for passing a cyclist.

 

As recently as October 2015 Gauteng Transport MEC, Ismail Vadi joined a bike train of cyclists campaigning for a minimum passing distance. I wonder why he did this if the law already existed?

[GaryvdM]

its already legally enforcable, so go find it. I looked through the 2 docs i have on hand and neither have the cycling bylaws. if i have time to look at home i will, but do the research yourself.

no point just saying you campaign for something and you don't do your research to worlds end

 

You are making the claim, the burden of proof lies with you.

 

Besides, it would not be possible for us to prove the negative.

 

I know that this is not proof, but I have been through the whole of "Gauteng Provincial Road Traffic Act (10/1997)" with amendments up to "Provincial Notice No. 419 of 2016" and "NATIONAL ROAD TRAFFIC ACT 93 OF 1996" with amendments up to "Government Notice R846 31 October 2014" and there is nothing requiring minimal passing distance.

 

 

[Skubarra]

Well then, let's hope Dirkitec "have the time to look at home" to prove himself right 

[Dirkitech]

I read once somewhere that people post opinions on the internet as fact and when asked to provide a source they tell the asker to go find it himself but for the life of me I can't remember where I read this.

 

No amount of doing my own research into your BS fact will find it as it does not exist.  The mere fact that you tell me I must go find it myself is a pretty strong indicator that you actually have no idea and what you are publishing here as the law is actually just a figment of your imagination.

 

FACT: On Thursday, 29 November 2012, the Provincial Legislature passed the Western Cape Provincial Road Traffic Act. Find it here. No other Province has yet passed any law that requires motorists to pass cyclists with a specified gap. The National Road Traffic Act, 1996 [No. 93 of 1996] makes absolutely no mention of a minimum passing distance for passing a cyclist.

 

As recently as October 2015 Gauteng Transport MEC, Ismail Vadi joined a bike train of cyclists campaigning for a minimum passing distance. I wonder why he did this if the law already existed?

i couldnt care less what you believe fact or opinion. ive never read anything that wasnt for gauteng so its a matter of looking through a ton of pdf's until i find it, but like i said, its either on the laptop or the pc, somewhere between literally thousands of pdf's, so be patient, its not a priority

[V12man]

i couldnt care less what you believe fact or opinion. ive never read anything that wasnt for gauteng so its a matter of looking through a ton of pdf's until i find it, but like i said, its either on the laptop or the pc, somewhere between literally thousands of pdf's, so be patient, its not a priority

Should be easy to find - use the search facilities your PC has...

[Skubarra]

Should be easy to find - use the search facilities your PC has...

 

Yes but he is not certain if it's on the PC, it might be on the laptop. As he said, we should just be patient.

 

Waiting in anticipation...

[Dirkitech]

Since so many were interested, I expedited my searching for fresh docs via google instead and it seems i was mistaken about the literal "1m" passing law in gauteng (was probably thinking about the 1m parking gap from road corners), but nonetheless there is a clause stating the exact same concept as the Western Cape Provincial Road Traffic Administration Act that Carbon29er linked and it reads "the driver of a vehicle intending to pass any other vehicle proceeding in the same direction on a public road shall pass to the right thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive on the left side of the roadway until safely clear of the vehicle so passed", where this applies to a'' vehicles operated on the road from rickshaws and cyclists to trucks and cars.
seems like the safety distance is open to interpretation then where gauteng is concerned? You can interpret it any way you want were some places in europe has 1.5m passing by laws and here you are allowed to transport goods that protrude at most 0.45m on either side of your bicycle.

as a side note for Mister Obsessed With Facts, fact, WC has a bylaw restricting vehicles passing cycles to min 1m. fact, gauteng has a bylaw restricting vehicles passing vehicles (cyclists included) to a safe distance. now cry me a river of what your "factual opinion" is on a safe distance.
 

edit: forgot to add, if youre looking for the clauses go look for yourself

[GaryvdM]

Since so many were interested, I expedited my searching for fresh docs via google instead and it seems i was mistaken about the literal "1m" passing law in gauteng (was probably thinking about the 1m parking gap from road corners), but nonetheless there is a clause stating the exact same concept as the Western Cape Provincial Road Traffic Administration Act that Carbon29er linked and it reads "the driver of a vehicle intending to pass any other vehicle proceeding in the same direction on a public road shall pass to the right thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive on the left side of the roadway until safely clear of the vehicle so passed", where this applies to a'' vehicles operated on the road from rickshaws and cyclists to trucks and cars.

seems like the safety distance is open to interpretation then where gauteng is concerned? You can interpret it any way you want were some places in europe has 1.5m passing by laws and here you are allowed to transport goods that protrude at most 0.45m on either side of your bicycle.

 

as a side note for Mister Obsessed With Facts, fact, WC has a bylaw restricting vehicles passing cycles to min 1m. fact, gauteng has a bylaw restricting vehicles passing vehicles (cyclists included) to a safe distance. now cry me a river of what your "factual opinion" is on a safe distance.

 

edit: forgot to add, if youre looking for the clauses go look for yourself

 

LOL

[Quagga]

Since so many were interested, I expedited my searching for fresh docs via google instead and it seems i was mistaken about the literal "1m" passing law in gauteng (was probably thinking about the 1m parking gap from road corners), but nonetheless there is a clause stating the exact same concept as the Western Cape Provincial Road Traffic Administration Act that Carbon29er linked and it reads "the driver of a vehicle intending to pass any other vehicle proceeding in the same direction on a public road shall pass to the right thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive on the left side of the roadway until safely clear of the vehicle so passed", where this applies to a'' vehicles operated on the road from rickshaws and cyclists to trucks and cars.

seems like the safety distance is open to interpretation then where gauteng is concerned? You can interpret it any way you want were some places in europe has 1.5m passing by laws and here you are allowed to transport goods that protrude at most 0.45m on either side of your bicycle.

 

as a side note for Mister Obsessed With Facts, fact, WC has a bylaw restricting vehicles passing cycles to min 1m. fact, gauteng has a bylaw restricting vehicles passing vehicles (cyclists included) to a safe distance. now cry me a river of what your "factual opinion" is on a safe distance.

 

edit: forgot to add, if youre looking for the clauses go look for yourself

 

That is in the normal traffic law. So not just a bylaw in Gauteng.

 

Edit Forgot to add the "proof" that this is not just a Gauteng BYLAW

 

Link

https://www.arrivealive.co.za/Rules-on-the-Road#part1_3

 

and

 

 http://www.acts.co.za/national-road-traffic-act-1996/regs_298_passing_of_vehicle

 

Extract

1) The driver of a vehicle intending to pass any other vehicle proceeding in the same direction on a public road shall pass to the right thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive on the left side of the roadway until safely clear of the vehicle so passed: Provided that, in the circumstances as aforesaid, passing on the left of such vehicle shall be permissible if the person driving the passing vehicle can do so with safety to himself or herself and other traffic or property which is or may be on such road and –

[carbon29er]

as a side note for Mister Obsessed With Facts, fact, WC has a bylaw restricting vehicles passing cycles to min 1m. fact, gauteng has a bylaw restricting vehicles passing vehicles (cyclists included) to a safe distance. now cry me a river of what your "factual opinion" is on a safe distance.

 

edit: forgot to add, if youre looking for the clauses go look for yourself

Yes, when someone gets on his soapbox and dumps a ton of bull excrement all over the place as fact and then tells me to do my own research looking for said bull excrement I do sort of get obsessed with the facts.

 

As I stated a few posts back, a law stating a safe passing distance without the distance specified means a driver can claim 1cm is safe.

 

I really don't need to go look for the relevant clauses you ask me to go look for myself as I am very familiar with the deficiencies in the relevant statutes as they relate to the safety of cyclists on public roads in SA. 

[jimmycool]

Yes, when someone gets on his soapbox and dumps a ton of bull excrement all over the place as fact and then tells me to do my own research looking for said bull excrement I do sort of get obsessed with the facts.

 

As I stated a few posts back, a law stating a safe passing distance without the distance specified means a driver can claim 1cm is safe.

 

I really don't need to go look for the relevant clauses you ask me to go look for myself as I am very familiar with the deficiencies in the relevant statutes as they relate to the safety of cyclists on public roads in SA.

Absolutely.

The prudent thing to do when one finds ones foot firmly embedded in ones mouth is to quietly remove it and lay low.

The efforts of said foot-in-mouther to divert attention from their embarrassing condition by copiously explaining their point of view only serves to draw even more attention to the aforementioned foot.

 

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