Remove Rockshox Aircan with autosag?

[droo]

You don't get volume reducers for standard Monarchs unfortunately.

[Kalahari Vegmot]

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[MarcinW]

You don't get volume reducers for standard Monarchs unfortunately.

what do you mean by starndard?

It has to be debonAir to be able to add one?

[MarcinW]

hmm and now after service, shock does not want to compress even without air. when I put air in to it, it is stiff like a hell. After pressing AutoSag all the air is going through it:/ ehh I dont know what I did wrong, need to find this out to not brake the damper.

[droo]

what do you mean by starndard?

It has to be debonAir to be able to add one?

 

Correct. There may be aftermarket spacers I'm not aware of, but given that this is my day job the chances are reasonably slim. (But not impossible, sadly I don't know everything...)

 

hmm and now after service, shock does not want to compress even without air. when I put air in to it, it is stiff like a hell. After pressing AutoSag all the air is going through it:/ ehh I dont know what I did wrong, need to find this out to not brake the damper.

 

Is the shock mounted to the bike and compressed when pressing the AS valve? If not, it'll keep releasing air until it hits the sag point, which if the shock isn't loaded is never.

 

If the shock is mounted and loaded, you've nicked or left out one of the seals in the AS assembly.

 

If the shock isn't mounted to the bike you'll battle to compress it unless you can apply 50+ kgf by squeezing your hands together. There's an air charge in the damper which stops cavitation behind the piston and you're pushing against that. If the main air valve is installed you're compressing the main air chamber too, which adds to your difficulty.

[MarcinW]

Correct. There may be aftermarket spacers I'm not aware of, but given that this is my day job the chances are reasonably slim. (But not impossible, sadly I don't know everything...)

 

 

Is the shock mounted to the bike and compressed when pressing the AS valve? If not, it'll keep releasing air until it hits the sag point, which if the shock isn't loaded is never.

 

If the shock is mounted and loaded, you've nicked or left out one of the seals in the AS assembly.

 

If the shock isn't mounted to the bike you'll battle to compress it unless you can apply 50+ kgf by squeezing your hands together. There's an air charge in the damper which stops cavitation behind the piston and you're pushing against that. If the main air valve is installed you're compressing the main air chamber too, which adds to your difficulty.

droo, thanks a lot for this exact description, you made my Friday evening better:)

 

shock is not mounted on the bike, so autosag works like you said. compression might be the same (will check on bike). I just cleaned everything, put grease and ordered oil (will apply later on).

 

wish you great weekend and thanks for your time:)

[droo]

droo, thanks a lot for this exact description, you made my Friday evening better:)

 

shock is not mounted on the bike, so autosag works like you said. compression might be the same (will check on bike). I just cleaned everything, put grease and ordered oil (will apply later on).

 

wish you great weekend and thanks for your time:)

 

I have nothing but time at the moment, so you're welcome to it...

 

If you have any more issues either post here or PM me and hopefully I can help you out.

[MarcinW]

So I went to my local shop and fortunately I was able to check debonair can upgrade (they had 200x and 216x)

 

Looks like 216x will fit to this specialized unique 216x57 size.

I put 3 spacers and now I am waiting only for a 15w50 oil. Hope it will work on the bike

As Autosag is composite with SoloAir can, it will not be available after upgrade but for me that was just useless feature.

 

Tags: specialized monarch plus RC3 debonair Debon Air upgrade can size 216

[Alouette3]

@Droo what oil substitute could you recommend for the RS stuff. Remember on my old fox shocks using 80wt gear oil.

[MarcinW]

@Droo what oil substitute could you recommend for the RS stuff. Remember on my old fox shocks using 80wt gear oil.

I could not wait longer to check this debonair on my bike. Instead of 15w50, I put 10w40 full syntetic for motorbike.

Works like a charm:)

For 60$ upgrade, I can recommend it everyone:)

[droo]

@Droo what oil substitute could you recommend for the RS stuff. Remember on my old fox shocks using 80wt gear oil.

 

I've never had to look for a substitute, I've got so much of the 15W50 from the kits that I just give it away for free. But Bheki says I can't right now.

 

It's Maxima Extra 4 15W50, 124.8 cSt @ 40C. Float fluid should do the job if you've got, otherwise a heavy full synthetic motor oil should do the job, as long as it doesn't have seal swelling additives.

[Alouette3]

I've never had to look for a substitute, I've got so much of the 15W50 from the kits that I just give it away for free. But Bheki says I can't right now.

 

It's Maxima Extra 4 15W50, 124.8 cSt @ 40C. Float fluid should do the job if you've got, otherwise a heavy full synthetic motor oil should do the job, as long as it doesn't have seal swelling additives.

Motorbike equivalent is probably a good bet, as it doesn't have the detergents and other additives, with many bikes running wet clutch.  

[Alouette3]

Motorbike equivalent is probably a good bet, as it doesn't have the detergents and other additives, with many bikes running wet clutch.  

JASO-MA is the spec that determines the above, which the Maxima does.

[droo]

JASO-MA is the spec that determines the above, which the Maxima does.

 

The Extra 4 is 4 stroke motorbike oil, so Trac-Mac or Suzuki should have something that will work.

[Chadvdw67]

Droo, any idea if there is an aircan upgrade like that for a Monarch RT?

[droo]

Droo, any idea if there is an aircan upgrade like that for a Monarch RT?

 

A Monarch can is a Monarch can, just needs to be the right length. Also, it's not necessarily an upgrade - the size of of the can that you need will depend on what bike you have.