Chris_ Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Yep they have to be consistent..it hurts as a Sagan fan and will hurt him.. but safety has to come first..So does consistancy mean points deduction? Is Groenewegen then the exception to a racing incident?
Gen Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Difficult one, can't say I am convinced of the sanction. But they need to start drawing the line somewhere.Yep..oh well either start the fight for green over or shift focus for this TDF and full focus on getting prepared for the Giro.
Eugene Oppelt Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Difficult one, can't say I am convinced of the sanction. But they need to start drawing the line somewhere. Within the context of the Fabio Jakobsen crash, this is expected and an appropriate verdict, @Vetplant. He was boxed in and continued with his sprint. These are split second decisions at 68 km/h. Regardless of intent, it was dangerous. Just saw on social media, that Wout gave Sagan the middle finger shortly after crossing the white chalk.
Gen Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Regardless of intent, it was dangerous.Indeed.. *goes into the fetal position and cries* What does the stage look like tomorrow?
Oxter Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Yip, he created a gap where there was not one, he is desprate for some points and made a split second decision to go for it. Natural instinct dor these guys. Correct decision made though to relegate him
Vetplant Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Within the context of the Fabio Jakobsen crash, this is expected and an appropriate verdict, @VetplantTruth is he was boxed in and continued with his sprint. These are split second decisions at 68 km/h.Regardless of intent, it was dangerous.Very true. I immediately felt uncomfortable when I saw the shove. Thoughts of Jakobsen came to mind. We have been asking for more steps to ensure rider's safety. So probably long overdue. I'll hope they don't dock all his points, but only for the stage finish.
Gen Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Very true. I immediately felt uncomfortable when I saw the shove. Thoughts of Jakobsen came to mind. We have been asking for more steps to ensure rider's safety. So probably long overdue. I'll hope they don't dock all his points, but only for the stage finish.Yep it was dangerous. When I saw it I knew there would be trouble and as much as what I love Sagan that was dangerous the risk wasn't worth it.. No issues from Bora they accept the decision. I think he loses all the point for the day..
The Ghost Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 It does seem fair all in and it seems like we all pretty much agree.... imagine, agreement on the Hub [emoji1]
Gen Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 It does seem fair all in and it seems like we all pretty much agree.... imagine, agreement on the Hub [emoji1]Never ha ha ha .
Frosty Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Indeed.. *goes into the fetal position and cries* What does the stage look like tomorrow?A battle for the Intermediate Sprint Point (ISP). Maybe he can drop the sprinters on the last two bumps.
Gen Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 A battle for the Intermediate Sprint Point (ISP). Maybe he can drop the sprinters on the last two bumps. [emoji1696]
Mntboy Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Very true. I immediately felt uncomfortable when I saw the shove. Thoughts of Jakobsen came to mind. We have been asking for more steps to ensure rider's safety. So probably long overdue. I'll hope they don't dock all his points, but only for the stage finish.The right decision was made here ito sprint safety (rider responsibility). I still need to be convinced however that the UCI is going to make sure that organisers are held accountable if they are the ones who err. Something which the Jakobsen incident highlighted for me is that the UCI might not be entirely up to the task.
ChrisF Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 It does seem fair all in and it seems like we all pretty much agree.... imagine, agreement on the Hub [emoji1]Would love to see the seconds leading up to the elbowing again .... I thought the sprint was in the middle of the road .... then drifted right blocking out Sagan. EDIT ... the sprint was in the middle of the road, then Berhard took the gap on the right ... Sagan forced past later .... Where is the line between letting them block you out vs making sure they will keep a straight line next time .... Sagan DID give them one almighty look after that sprint ... I was convinced he was upset by the blocking move ... Then again, the previous accident reminds us of how badly this can end .... but surely the "blocker" has to carry some resposibility ..... Consistancy may just kill proper sprints ... sort out the barriers, please dont "dumb down" (skuus, daar is sekerlik n beter term ... maar my brits is nou op) the sprints ...
Gen Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 https://twitter.com/MRasmussen1974/status/1303742068154675202?s=19
Gen Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 The right decision was made here ito sprint safety (rider responsibility). I still need to be convinced however that the UCI is going to make sure that organisers are held accountable if they are the ones who err. Something which the Jakobsen incident highlighted for me is that the UCI might not be entirely up to the task.And still not a word about the race organisers in Poland.. niks nada f all.
Gen Posted September 9, 2020 Posted September 9, 2020 Jury report of stage 11: #TdF2020: Van Aert has been fined 200CHF for inappropriate behaviour. Sagan gets a 500CHF fine and - 13 points in points classification for deviation from the chosen line that obstructs or endangers another rider or irregular sprint
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