Ses fietsryers dam oupa by n? hy vir hull

[slowpoke]

i don't think anyone has said the upfront reaction should be aggressive or violent... but when the driver's bad behaviour continues (eg here where the #$%^& bumped some of the riders and continued driving without stopping, AND has a reputation for driving like this in general) then reacting more seriously is 100% understandable.

[Windbreaker]

There was one of those bike racks on the back of his car though!!! So it isn't just 'us' and 'them'!!

 

Yep ... motorists with *** attitudes who cycle too are usually also cyclists with *** attitude.

Cyclists with *** attitudes are usually also motorists with *** attitudes.

 

The problem with having a motorist with a bad attitude is that it can have immensely more serious consequences than a cyclist with a bad attitude.

 

Mmm ... unless he is in a group of 6!

 

Having said this I still think that the majority of non-cycling motorists don't understand how VULNERABLE cyclists are. That is the line that we need to get out there! Put Oupa on a bike on that road for a week.

[Grietjie]

Okay I waited 23 pages too long to give my 2c worth...

 

The reporter really needed to get both sides of the story, but...just maybe he couldn't get hold of them seeing that the police is looking for them...and just maybe if they (the cyclists) realy wanted to give their side of the story there is enough ways to do it!

 

Phone Beeld, phone the police...just do it!

 

 

 

[Groot Lem]

Seems like some cyclists got road rage/agression during the Double yesterday.

[Delgado]

What Happened?

[Guest Big H]

Are the six ex-cyclists (Ihope they are banished form cycling for life) criminals behind bars yet???? If not our law enforcement stinks!!!!!! (OK OK we all know that!!!!)

[E1A104]

Why should they be ex-cyclists? You have just admitted that our law enforcement stinks, yet you want the 6 cyclists to leave it up to those self same people to prosecute a f*ck-wit who could possibly have killed them?? Just wondering if you think it is OK to try and kill someone as long as it was not pre-meditated and as long as the odds are not 6 against 1?

 

As for pre-mediated, I go back to your story about the guy in the bakkie who tried to run you over. You could have avoided him in the shop, yet you chose to confront him - sounds a lot like pre-meditation to me!!

 

[Guest Big H]

Nope not pre meditated.... self defence. I told the windgat young man he is a fool to drive like that and he wanted to assault me..... subtle but slight difference. The cyclists went to the "oupa's" place of work where they brutally assaulted him...... that is premeditated in the eyes of the law and is a grave and punishable criminal offence.

 

What is even worse than the unlawfull actions by the the six "ex-cyclists" was that the whole repulsive affair was condoned as being correct by some esteemed members of this messageboard!!!!!!!!

[E1A104]

For all we know they might have followed the windgat toppie to his office to tell him that he is a fool to drive like that and that he then wanted to assault them and they acted in self-defence ..... subtle but slight difference.

 

If, according to the alternate report,  he did in fact hit three of them with his mirror, we can be pretty certain he did want to assault them, that and the fact that he might have taken the first punch, I'd say the Bedford 6 were acting in self-defence.

 

You confronted the guy in the shop instead of reporting it to the police which is the course of action you suggested the Bedford 6 should have taken. Sounds like you could perhaps be trying to justify your own violent and aggresive actions?

 

Until the "truth" is know it's all speculation and assumption, pretty much the way I'm assuming what happened to you is pre-meditation on your part having only heard one side of the story.

 

Still not sure why they are ex-cyclists, I'm sure they are still out there cycling.

[domenic]

Are the six ex-cyclists (Ihope they are banished form cycling for life) criminals behind bars yet???? If not our law enforcement stinks!!!!!! (OK OK we all know that!!!!)

Why do you continue to believe that the cyclists were at fault, and not eweps much more plausible account? Pierre Grobbelaar hit 3 cyclists with his rear view mirror, and when the cyclists wanted to talk to him he let fly with his fists! They then reacted in the same way you did by your own account. Are you perhaps a friend of Pierre Grobbelaar?

[Guest Big H]

No, I do not know him, but explain to me how an attack on a person can be justified.... self defence when you are attacked and in danger of being hurt, yes, but a retaliatory attack long after the incident took place......NO!!!! NEVER EVER EVER!!!!!!!! can it be justified and it really perplexes me that you in your befuddled mind can justify it as being the correct thing.

[domenic]

No' date=' I do not know him, but explain to me how an attack on a person can be justified.... self defence when you are attacked and in danger of being hurt, yes, but a retaliatory attack long after the incident took place......NO!!!! NEVER EVER EVER!!!!!!!! can it be justified and it really perplexes me that you in your befuddled mind can justify it as being the correct thing.[/quote']

According to eweps account, Pierre Grobbelaar was not touched until he threw a punch at the littlest cyclist of the six. There was no retaliatory attack long after Grobbelaar's hitting the cyclists with his rearview mirror, but an immediate selfdefending action. Why are you taking the side of somebody who could have seriously injured and even killed a fellow cyclist?

[Guest Big H]

Very clear and simple Domenic..... the name of cyclists has been done irrepairable harm. Every motorist now sees us as revengefull and murderous people who laaik to harm an "innocent" Oupa. The Oupa drives a 3 ton metal monster and I ride a tandem that weighs 22 kg, with my wife on the saddle behind me. I fear for her and all you people who refuses to see the wrong behind this whole incident. Two wrongs have never ever made a right.

 

PS according to responses on this messageboard I am not alone in feeling this way..... I may be the most tenacious by answering all these posts.

[E1A104]

And what if Innocent Oomie had hit your wife with his 4x4 wing mirror?

[domenic]

Very clear and simple Domenic..... the name of cyclists has been done irrepairable harm. Every motorist now sees us as revengefull and murderous people who laaik to harm an "innocent" Oupa. The Oupa drives a 3 ton metal monster and I ride a tandem that weighs 22 kg' date=' with my wife on the saddle behind me. I fear for her and all you people who refuses to see the wrong behind this whole incident. Two wrongs have never ever made a right.

 

PS according to responses on this messageboard I am not alone in feeling this way..... I may be the most tenacious by answering all these posts.

[/quote']

It is exactly because of the harm done to the name of all cyclists that we should be careful to not presume guilt. If the original report is proven to be true I would unconditionally condemn the alleged action of the cyclists. But the original report is more than likely wrong, yet you continue to spread the word that the cyclists involved were guilty. You are quite likely perpetuating a lie to the detriment of all of us.

[Guest Big H]

3P10, Me and six tandem pairs would have most likely bashed his teeth out!!!!!!!