Tubeless vs tubes

[dirtrider]

perhaps .

[Mellow]

 

I think it boils down to a preference thing and its good to be spoiled with choices. Each to his / her own I say!!

 

dougaroony, you are on the money... it depends what kind of ride you want and rider you are...

 

all i can say is use a sealant (that is if you dont want to carry 10 tubes)

 

[scotty]

The Tube Kit option has benefits

 

You get 2 fully enclosed rubber tire filling devices with integrated valve stems (no need for "special" rimstrips)

 

Detailed easy to understand instructions

 

Easy do-it yourself installation without having to use an air compressor

 

The Kit does not require

Noxious latex spooge

Special rimstrips

Hours of headaches and delays for riding buddies

 

[Willehond]

OK, I am close to deciding (again).  I am thinking of getting a set of XT wheels (UST compatible) and then put some UST tyres on it with sealant in.  These will be my racing tyres.

I will then continue with my old crappy wheelset with tyreliners for training/commuting.  They are pretty much bomb proof (one or two puncture in a year!), but a bit heavy and the hubs are very rough.  That way I can swop tyres (slick/knobblies) and not have to worry about punctures or slimy goo when changing tyres, plus I get a better workout with my heavy wheels!

[dirtrider]

Scotty it took you a while ? had ur doubts ?

 

 

 

Willehond my set of XT rim will be here tomorrow . Full bottle of Stans waiting at home for them .

[SwissVan]

OK' date=' I am close to deciding (again).  I am thinking of getting a set of XT wheels (UST compatible) and then put some UST tyres on it with sealant in.  These will be my racing tyres.

I will then continue with my old crappy wheelset with tyreliners for training/commuting.  They are pretty much bomb proof (one or two puncture in a year!), but a bit heavy and the hubs are very rough.  That way I can swop tyres (slick/knobblies) and not have to worry about punctures or slimy goo when changing tyres, plus I get a better workout with my heavy wheels!

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Have you noticed the tendency to get less punctures in EU land yet?

 

Only time I take my tyres (road bike or mtb) off nowdays is when the tyre needs replacing due to being worn out...

 

 

 

 

[NotSoBigBen]

GreatEggWhite sir did you not take note of my earlier posting of this vital information' date=' am I posting for nought ..........

 

Doesn't have to be that expensive to try it .......

 

https://www.bikehub.co.za/forum_posts.asp?TID=24545

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I did indeed! I even followed the link and read it, such was my interest the chiming of BigBen

 

What I was asking, though, was how much does it burn if you do it with all the 'UST' tyres and stans and joes etc

 

BTW, what is UST an acronym for if anything?

 

Not sure have heard Universal Systeme Tjoopless and Ultimate Sidewall Technology depending I guess on the manufacturer but my take would be U Stoopid Tchjop perhaps, they know we pay more for stuff wiff lots of Acronyms on .......... 

[Willehond]

 

Have you noticed the tendency to get less punctures in EU land yet?

 

Only time I take my tyres (road bike or mtb) off nowdays is when the tyre needs replacing due to being worn out...

 

 

 

 

Yes I have!  Seeing someone next to the road fixing a tyre is a rare thing.  I haven't had one one three months now.

Saying that though, I have not ventured offroad yet as my mtb is still on the ship (here next week!).  Would love to have some bling for it when it arrives though.  Found an XT wheelset for ?279 around the corner from me!

 

Maybe I don't need the Stan's at all?

Willehond2008-09-18 05:38:07

[ZorgusPrime]

 

I converted to tubeless in 2002 while I was still doing a lot of riding and races. Roundabout 2005 I went back to tubes purely because they are less hassle if you don?t ride / race regularly.  

 

Dougaroony ? Its actualy quite simple:<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

 

Toobless

= Better performance and comfort' date=' due to lower pressures required and possibly some weight saving and less punctures.

= Can be an issue if you are not technically capable.

= Sealant is messy and requires on going maintenance to replace and keep things that come in contact (valves, inside tyre) clean.

= Burping can be an issue on hard packed fast corners.

 

Toob?s   

= More susceptible to punctures.

= Lower performance / comfort due to higher pressures.  

= Tubes are relatively simple to understand and apply compared to tubeless systems.

 

 

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Excellent answer SwissVan, thank you.

Does anybody run UST rim's and tyres without any sealant ?
Isn't that the third option (and the way that those UST's are designed to run ?)

[dirtrider]

And what will seal the hole when you get a puncture ?

 

 

[AndreZA]

YOu have to use sealant no matter what you run.

 

 

[SwissVan]

Does anybody run UST rim's and tyres without any sealant ?
Isn't that the third option (and the way that those UST's are designed to run ?)

 

 

Even here in EU land where there are no snakes, no snake bites, glass or sharp objects on the trail ( i wish) I would not try it.

 

There in Afrika I would stick with the sealant, thats all thats between your rubber the thorns, rocks, glass, snakes and keeping the air in.

 

Tubeless with out sealant will work but the risk is much higher, tried it once and had to DNF cause i punctured (no sealant, no tubes, no anything)

 

 

 

 

[scotty]

Sorry DR they keep interupting my reading this thread with work.

 

The wait savings of fitting tubes outperforms the weight savings by many minutes if not hours in event of a puncture, plus they are compatible with all rim/wheel combinations.

[RodTi]

aw what the hell...

 

I'll wade in here 2 weeks later like a man saying "& another thing" 20 minutes after he already lost the argument... [thanks DA]

 

I converted to tubeless 2 years ago.

Not UST specific, had a DT SWISS conversion kit put on to my Cane Creek Zonos SS, running Conti Mountain Kings 2.2.

 

I'm paranoid - so I have bombs AND spare tubes, plus all the necessaries in my camelbak... But you know what - I'd rather have them with me and never use them, than walk home.

 

2 years - and I am a BIG boy, and not a sniff of a problem.

Whereas with tubes, I was puncturing at least twice a week - I kid you not...

 

So call me a converted.

 

Yes - it is a mission if the tubeless goes wrong, and compared to simple tubes, it's WAY more complicated.

 

But here's the rub - set up your tubeless properly, and you probably won't have anything going wrong.

 

And that makes all the difference, imho.

[SwissVan]

 

RodTi - Good stuff.

As a matter of interest do you replace the sealant? If so how often??

 

And in what condition is the sealant (still liquid or ?) when you do replace it...

 

 

[Willehond]

 

RodTi - Good stuff.

As a matter of interest do you replace the sealant? If so how often??

 

And in what condition is the sealant (still liquid or ?) when you do replace it...

 

 

 

SwissVan, what are good tires for local conditions? (I mean here in the north, not SA). Thinking Schwalbe R Ron's or are they not grippy enough?

Willehond2008-09-24 08:49:19