Guest Big H Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 When we went out this morning ..... remember we only have one very flat road to cycle...ie out and back with the same road, no hills.... zilch nada........ the windsock position at the airport was blowing like this..... The windsock position indicates 20 mph which is 32 KM/h. Would riding into a headwind such as this help for hill training????? If not how will we do hilltraining????? We only have the tandem here so training on a indoor trainer will not help. Coming back was like downhill of which I never complain!!!!!!!!
Sean Badenhorst Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 I was going to suggest mountain biking, but then I remembered you're in Angola... I reckon riding into the wind regularly is effective in improving strength, which can help with climbing but won't replace the value of training on climbs.
Marius Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 I was going to suggest mountain biking' date=' but then I remembered you're in Angola...[/quote']
Guest Big H Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 I was going to suggest mountain biking' date=' but then I remembered you're in Angola...I reckon riding into the wind regularly is effective in improving strength, which can help with climbing but won't replace the value of training on climbs. [/quote'] Sand, thorns, landmines...... kaboom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... then training as seen form a different angle!!!!!!!!!!
Willehond Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Training into the wind is basically the same as training on a climb. In the end you have to turn the cranks at a higher than normal power output. Climbing doesn't exert any additional forces than riding into the wind does. The only difference is that you can take it easier into the wind and on a climb you have to keep pushing, so if you can keep the power up when riding into the wind, you will get the same workout. In the end it's about the power you put out, not the terain you are on!
Putty Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Big H, here it is from another experts mouth. Why do I know cause I live in Dubai and the biggest climb is over the highway. Cycling is about turning the legs around and making sure your heart rate is correct. When you ride flats you pedal the whole time and when you ride in hills you pedal for approx 60% of the time. Simple maths. Also make sure your heart rate is correct and you will get nice and fit. The climb is a mental thing and its just about getting your mind around going uphill again. The legs and heart will get fit on flats. Belgium = Flat - many World ChampionsSouth Africa = Hilly - not one World Champion Just keep pedalling and enjoy the tailwinds when they are there.
Willehond Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Big H' date=' here it is from another experts mouth. Why do I know cause I live in Dubai and the biggest climb is over the highway. Cycling is about turning the legs around and making sure your heart rate is correct. When you ride flats you pedal the whole time and when you ride in hills you pedal for approx 60% of the time. Simple maths. Also make sure your heart rate is correct and you will get nice and fit. The climb is a mental thing and its just about getting your mind around going uphill again. The legs and heart will get fit on flats. Belgium = Flat - many World ChampionsSouth Africa = Hilly - not one World Champion Just keep pedalling and enjoy the tailwinds when they are there.[/quote'] Uhm, Belgium ain't flat (try Googling the Ardennes an you'll see), but I get your point! I agree with your reasoning though. It's all about power (and it's derivative: heart rate)
Guest Big H Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Big H' date=' here it is from another experts mouth. Why do I know cause I live in Dubai and the biggest climb is over the highway. Cycling is about turning the legs around and making sure your heart rate is correct. When you ride flats you pedal the whole time and when you ride in hills you pedal for approx 60% of the time. Simple maths. Also make sure your heart rate is correct and you will get nice and fit. The climb is a mental thing and its just about getting your mind around going uphill again. The legs and heart will get fit on flats. Belgium = Flat - many World ChampionsSouth Africa = Hilly - not one World Champion Just keep pedalling and enjoy the tailwinds when they are there.[/quote'] Thanx!!!!!! We do not even have a bridge crossing the only road in the area that we are trying to repair!!!!!! As a matter of interest ..... would my wife have to wear a burka if we ever work in the Emirates and we train on the tandem?????????
Putty Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Big H' date=' here it is from another experts mouth. Why do I know cause I live in Dubai and the biggest climb is over the highway. Cycling is about turning the legs around and making sure your heart rate is correct. When you ride flats you pedal the whole time and when you ride in hills you pedal for approx 60% of the time. Simple maths. Also make sure your heart rate is correct and you will get nice and fit. The climb is a mental thing and its just about getting your mind around going uphill again. The legs and heart will get fit on flats. Belgium = Flat - many World ChampionsSouth Africa = Hilly - not one World Champion Just keep pedalling and enjoy the tailwinds when they are there.[/quote'] Uhm, Belgium ain't flat (try Googling the Ardennes an you'll see), but I get your point! I agree with your reasoning though. It's all about power (and it's derivative: heart rate) Well not the whole of belgium is flat but 90% of races there are flat. Criterium Kings there!!!!
Spinnekop Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Some predictions for Graskop on our training weekend....... Good idea to go????????? Sunday, Oct 26More Details http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/common/images/wxicons/52x40/32.gifVery windy; very warm with sunshine and patchy clouds. Winds from the SSW at 54 km/h.Realfeel?: 24 ?CHigh: 28 ?CSunday Night, Oct 26More Details http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/common/images/wxicons/52x40/36.gifPartly cloudy and windy. Winds from the SSE at 46 km/h.Realfeel?: 12 ?CLow: 16 ?CMonday, Oct 27More Details http://vortex.accuweather.com/adc2004/common/images/wxicons/52x40/32.gifVery windy; mostly cloudy and colder with a shower. Winds from the E at 99 km/h
Willehond Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Big H' date=' here it is from another experts mouth. Why do I know cause I live in Dubai and the biggest climb is over the highway. Cycling is about turning the legs around and making sure your heart rate is correct. When you ride flats you pedal the whole time and when you ride in hills you pedal for approx 60% of the time. Simple maths. Also make sure your heart rate is correct and you will get nice and fit. The climb is a mental thing and its just about getting your mind around going uphill again. The legs and heart will get fit on flats. Belgium = Flat - many World ChampionsSouth Africa = Hilly - not one World Champion Just keep pedalling and enjoy the tailwinds when they are there.[/quote'] Uhm, Belgium ain't flat (try Googling the Ardennes an you'll see), but I get your point! I agree with your reasoning though. It's all about power (and it's derivative: heart rate) Well not the whole of belgium is flat but 90% of races there are flat. Criterium Kings there!!!! Don't mind me, I am just giving you a hard time because I picked all the climbing races in Belgium to do! To support your theory; Steven Rooks lived and trained in the flattest part of Holland and won the polka dot jersey at the TdF! Robert Gesink is also a mean climber who grew up on flat roads. The wind definitely makes up for the lack of climbs.
Sean Badenhorst Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 And Big H, if that doesn't help, there's always EPO CERA ? check how it helped Ricco and Kohl's climbing...
pastapouch Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 hills usually end after a while and you can recover, the wind just keeps on blowing.
Guest Big H Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 And Big H' date=' if that doesn't help, there's always EPO CERA ? check how it helped Ricco and Kohl's climbing...[/quote'] Does it work for old overweight and unfit cyclists...... althought a certain hubber does not regard me as a cyclist.
Willehond Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 hills usually end after a while and you can recover' date=' the wind just keeps on blowing.[/quote'] ...but you can turn around and get the wind behind you!
Bateleur1 Posted October 16, 2008 Posted October 16, 2008 Riding heavier gears into the wind will also help.
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