Stolen Bikes

[Mudsimus]

it is people such as sias that cannot get over the fact that their forefathers turned us into the persons we are

 

It must be bad being someone you are not because of what some dead white guy did 50 years ago. Get over it. Hopefully one day when all the blamers...incl the Sias's are dead our children will live in a normalized society.

[mallo]

Stating facts sias look at all your postings whenever something is said about or from a POC. All the hubbers that know me will vouch for what/who I am.Does not mean a person is racist when they don't see/agree with your sentiments. I was taught to respect every other being in order to gain their respect.

 

Turtlek did you overlook sias telling some of us to form our own party, hence my response that I belong to one already.

 

 

 

" Treat others the way you want them to teat you"

[Slave]

Must have missed the racist part of sias' post.

 

Race was not the issue until someone made it an issue.

 

How many "white gardeners" are there is SA? Not too many at this stage at a guesstimate. That's also not the point.

 

There is a very old white chap riding around our "hood" on an even older Rapport than I have. The fact that I have called him a white man is not a racist comment. How is that as soon as we refer to someone as black, it is now considered racist? Anyway, the old chap looks the part on his rapport. The "black" chap who works in the shop next to us rides a Game special MTB and he looks the part. Never thought to question either of them, but now suddenly we are being racist because it just so happens that the PDI's are still pretty much disadvanteged despite racist legislation in the opposite direction. (Yip, call it what you like but BEE and AA, is racist legislation, but this is also not the issue.)

 

Once, a long time ago, my son at the tender age of 3, said all blacks were thieves. We debated this for a while because I wanted to find out where he got this crap. Turns out his logic was that there were more black thieves than white. (Now this is clearly racist, but by reason of faulty logic). I explained that there were six times as many black people as there were white so therefore there are likely to be six times as many black crooks as white purely on a numbers issue. At the end he understood that there are crooks of all colours and subsequently, we never had such a debate again. Was a fact then, still a fact now. Still many more poor blacks than whites and still many more black thieves than whites but that is purely by the numbers, not racism.

 

Eish, angaaz. The duck theory works for me.

 

The theory on morals and race is a whole 'nother ball of wax, and this is not the forum for it.

[sias]

Mud Dee - I plan to be around for a while! Who's going to keep an eye on the terrible twins and messing up their days with my racist rantings?

[Slave]

Must have missed the racist part of sias' post.

 

Race was not the issue until someone made it an issue.

 

How many "white gardeners" are there is SA? Not too many at this stage at a guesstimate. That's also not the point.

 

There is a very old white chap riding around our "hood" on an even older Rapport than I have. The fact that I have called him a white man is not a racist comment. How is that as soon as we refer to someone as black, it is now considered racist? Anyway, the old chap looks the part on his rapport. The "black" chap who works in the shop next to us rides a Game special MTB and he looks the part. Never thought to question either of them, but now suddenly we are being racist because it just so happens that the PDI's are still pretty much disadvanteged despite racist legislation in the opposite direction. (Yip, call it what you like but BEE and AA, is racist legislation, but this is also not the issue.)

 

Once, a long time ago, my son at the tender age of 3, said all blacks were thieves. We debated this for a while because I wanted to find out where he got this crap. Turns out his logic was that there were more black thieves than white. (Now this is clearly racist, but by reason of faulty logic). I explained that there were six times as many black people as there were white so therefore there are likely to be six times as many black crooks as white purely on a numbers issue. At the end he understood that there are crooks of all colours and subsequently, we never had such a debate again. Was a fact then, still a fact now. Still many more poor blacks than whites and still many more black thieves than whites but that is purely by the numbers, not racism.

 

Eish, angaaz. The duck theory works for me.

 

The theory on morals and race is a whole 'nother ball of wax, and this is not the forum for it.

[mallo]

"sias

 

Ultimate Hubber

 

Maybe you and Mallo and whatsisface masood should start your own little party. You sound the same..."

 

 

 

What does this tell you he even mentions the name of a person that has not posted on this thread

 

 

[sias]

Hey mallo! Nice one! This tells me that there are more people (like you and me) on the Hub like to throw around the race card at every opportunity! Wat is so moeilik daaromtrent?

[bustthesickness]

yawn! the usual little RACIST tiff here. It's boring, lame and pathetic.

 

Let's just reword the whole thing.....If you were to see a bergie/bum/homeless dude/vagrant OF ANY COLOUR riding around on a 20k bike, then what would be the correct thing to do?

 

I like the idea of offering R500 for it.

 

It's really bullsh*t to pull out the 'human rights' card though. I know of one guy who pushed off his bike on a trail up north. Lucky for him, 2 cyclists were also heading that way and when they saw this vagrant riding down the path they chased him down and got the bike back. This doesnt mean they were racists. It's pretty plain to see if someone belongs on the bike they are on.

 

[Joe Low]

Race was not the issue until someone made it an issue.

 

That would be you.

 

From your 1st post -  you want the police to stop raggedy black cyclists on nice bikes to prove ownership.

 

 

 

 

[sias]

Aaahh, the 3rd stooge has returned...

[Slave]

I have recently seen a number of seriously nice racing bikes (mostly roadies) in our area lately and I have to question whether the "owner / rider" actually had the budget to buy such a spiffy machine in the first place.

 

I mean the okes clothes are all ragged' date=' he obviously does not have that kind of miney to shell out for a bike of that quality. Some of these bikes are far more flash than I will ever be able to aspire to own.

 

Don't these guys ever get pulledoff by police to prove ownership?

 

What is the "done thing?" Would the cops do anything about trying to recover some other hard working dudes Avalanche.

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My original post. I see no mention of colour here.

 

Assumptions are the fother of all muck-ups dude.

[Joe Low]

There's the two points of view then, people can make their own minds up as to what's meant.

Sorry if you were meaning you wanted cyclists of all races stopped & questioned by the police.  Though that still seems an extreme position. 

 

I wouldn't be able to prove ownership of my bike, but maybe that's cos I bought it cheap off this fella.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Low]

Hub glitch - doublepost

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Joe Low2008-11-05 07:08:04

[Slave]

I work in Financial services and the thing about money laundering is pretty hectic stuff. The similarity here is this:

 

If there is a suspicion of money laundering, we re obliged to report it. One of the things we have to look out for is "does the book fit the cover".

 

In other words, does someone who has raggedy clothing fit the general description of someone who can afford an expensive bike?

 

Alas, I cannot prove ownership of my 18 year old Peugeot either, but, let's just assume that I stole it.  Would I get stopped, unlikely, because when I ride it, generally, I am in cycling gear and "look the part".  I have ridden to the local spar, barefoot to buy a pack of smokes and probabaly did not look like a cyclist, but still fit the part. Raggedy bike, raggedy clothing.

 

If I saw someone else on a similar bike, dressed a similar way, I would not question the issue.

 

In reality, how many people (low earners) go out and buy a Cannondale or Scott, to commute to work every day, especially of there is a big chance that he too will be the likely target of being bike-jacked?

 

At some stage in the future, the bike will need maintenance and it is unlikely, that said "owner" would be likey to be able to afford the repair costs. Chances are better than good that the bike was orginally the property of someone else and it was jacked or stolen. Creating a market for stolen goods is just one very good reason why crime still happens.

 

BTW, there is only one point of view in this post. There may be more than one translation and you made the wrong one. I think the subject matter is very clear and nowhere did I say that only black people wear raggedy clothes.

 

 

[TNT1]

Dude, you really confuse me... a smoking cyclist who aspires to own an avalanche?

[Slave]

Moennie penniiek TNT.

I foncuse myself most times. What can I say dude, low expectations seldom give room for disappointment.