Danger Dassie Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Hey Scott24' date=' I get annoyed too. But the signage at Northern Farm on the single track is poor. There are no signs at the "wrong end" indicating that a rider can't enter the track, so it will naturally take new users a while to get the feel of the right way. The signage could be improved easily.[/quote']Couldnt agree more. I have a hard time figuring out any signs at NF. After every race they have, its more confusing.. The map they have, she not much help either.. Yip, in the years I've ridden NF theres never been real signage, other than to depict MTB & horse trails, more recently birding spots.Have never had an issue with riders coming from opposite directions, in fact the Spruit gets more congested and I personaly still don't have an issue with it.About 90% of NF is wide dirt roads, so it does seem to be a bit of a non-issue.
turtlek Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 you mtb'ers are wierd ? Oh hell yeah Might be weird but extremely relaxed at the same time!!!!!!!
Reghard111 Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Hey Scott24' date=' I get annoyed too. But the signage at Northern Farm on the single track is poor. There are no signs at the "wrong end" indicating that a rider can't enter the track, so it will naturally take new users a while to get the feel of the right way. The signage could be improved easily.[/quote']Couldnt agree more. I have a hard time figuring out any signs at NF. After every race they have, its more confusing.. The map they have, she not much help either.. Yip, in the years I've ridden NF theres never been real signage, other than to depict MTB & horse trails, more recently birding spots.Have never had an issue with riders coming from opposite directions, in fact the Spruit gets more congested and I personaly still don't have an issue with it.About 90% of NF is wide dirt roads, so it does seem to be a bit of a non-issue. I hear you DD, but I was there today and spent nearly two hours there of which more than 70% was singletrack, all marked with either route no or just a MTB sign...ALL in a anti-clockwise direction. Even the section from the 24h race has all is markings to use as a guide. You cant compare the spruit as it is a there-and-back ride and by expecting guys coming from the front it doesnt turn into a nasty surprise when you expect it least. Not wanting to argue, but lets make it safe and fun for all!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR HUBBERS!!!
Danger Dassie Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Not arguing OPC, just stating my personal opinion. Most of NF trails are jeep road, it may be a good idea though to have directional signage on the singletrack, proper sigange though, not a broad reference of past race's signage.The Spruit has plenty singletrack with blind corners.Either way, the general consensous does seem to be a need for proper signage.
turtlek Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Not arguing OPC' date=' just stating my personal opinion. Most of NF trails are jeep road, it may be a good idea though to have directional signage on the singletrack, proper sigange though, not a broad reference of past race's signage. The Spruit has plenty singletrack with blind corners. Either way, the general consensous does seem to be a need for proper signage. [/quote'] i can agree with proper signage seeing as in the 24hour you race one way in the single track and then in most other races you race the other way and while on the toic of signage from past races i think northern farm should make it mandatory for all race organisers to make sure that all the signage is removed so as to not confuse other riders on the trai afterwards!!!!!!!
Weekend_Warrior Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 I think it is fair for people riding up the single track to move out of the way for the guys coming down' date='[/quote'] Its the other way round, but obviously u need to use some commom sense. Tokai has sections of single track that you should probably not ride up on a busy Saturday or Sunday morning and other parts that favour no one direction. If i am able to move out of the way of a guy that is racing down the single track and its not going to effect my riding i move out of his way but if its easier for him to move to the side than i expect him to give way to me. There is another thread just like this on thehub and im sure this is not the last time we are going to hear about this. Basically we all need to be more tolerent of other people on the montain and just ride for fun and once we can all do that maybe then this topic will finally be closed.
55LOCK Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 I think it is fair for people riding up the single track to move out of the way for the guys coming down' date=' [/quote'] Its the other way round, but obviously u need to use some commom sense. Tokai has sections of single track that you should probably not ride up on a busy Saturday or Sunday morning and other parts that favour no one direction. If i am able to move out of the way of a guy that is racing down the single track and its not going to effect my riding i move out of his way but if its easier for him to move to the side than i expect him to give way to me. There is another thread just like this on thehub and im sure this is not the last time we are going to hear about this. Basically we all need to be more tolerent of other people on the montain and just ride for fun and once we can all do that maybe then this topic will finally be closed. 100%, it is for the fun of it all. Happy New year!
vanniri Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 I have no experience of the cycle route you guys are referring to but some years ago on my honeymoon in Knysna my wife and I did the green route (was my honeymoon after all!) the correct way round (at least following the arrows). On one of the jeep tracks a couple of cyclist come from the front, although I kept left one guy suddenly passed and we had a head-on with him ending with a broken wrist. The guys from the rented bike shop were more interested in the condition of their bike (the other guy was on a rented bike), than people not following the route markers. Anyway since then I prefer to yield for oncoming traffic since I prefer to be cycling the next day.
Johan Bornman Posted January 1, 2009 Posted January 1, 2009 Its the other way round' date=' but obviously u need to use some commom sense. Tokai has sections of single track that you should probably not ride up on a busy Saturday or Sunday morning and other parts that favour no one direction. If i am able to move out of the way of a guy that is racing down the single track and its not going to effect my riding i move out of his way but if its easier for him to move to the side than i expect him to give way to me. There is another thread just like this on thehub and im sure this is not the last time we are going to hear about this. Basically we all need to be more tolerent of other people on the montain and just ride for fun and once we can all do that maybe then this topic will finally be closed. [/quote'] There is no common sense in the public at large. It's just a herd of sheep on bicycles. Without firm rules you cannot expect a good outcome or a conflict-less trail. Who's to decide which party will find it the easiest to move out of the way? It sounds to me like the minor chaos we have at these traffic circles in Jhb. The rule is that you give way to traffic in the circle coming from your right. However, we now have the phenomena of over-courteous drivers that will actually forfeit their right of way and invite yielders to take the leap and go first. I am all for courtecy but this is just plain silly. Stick to the rule and then everyone gets a turn to be courteous (by default) when their turn comes. This is tolerance gone mad. It is not about tolerance but about a rule. Same on the trails. Create rules and indicate them on signage at the trail. If we decide that decenders always yield to ascenders (as is the international rule), then we stick to that. Obviously this creates a problem for people who want to practice their downhill skills. Then we create a downhill section where ascenders have to yield, but we indicate that and make it known. It sounds to me like Tokai is anarchic. Northern farm is anarchic. The signs are non-existent or plain confusing. It's a mess. That place is very busy at times with large groups riding in fairly fast and tight peletons and one of these days we're going to have an accident with the usual consequences of closing the trail and pointing fingers everywhere. It has to be sorted out and I think Northern Farm can set the example for Gauteng.
bustthesickness Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 Its the other way round' date=' but obviously u need to use some commom sense. Tokai has sections of single track that you should probably not ride up on a busy Saturday or Sunday morning and other parts that favour no one direction. If i am able to move out of the way of a guy that is racing down the single track and its not going to effect my riding i move out of his way but if its easier for him to move to the side than i expect him to give way to me. There is another thread just like this on thehub and im sure this is not the last time we are going to hear about this. Basically we all need to be more tolerent of other people on the montain and just ride for fun and once we can all do that maybe then this topic will finally be closed. [/quote'] There is no common sense in the public at large. It's just a herd of sheep on bicycles. Without firm rules you cannot expect a good outcome or a conflict-less trail. Who's to decide which party will find it the easiest to move out of the way? It sounds to me like the minor chaos we have at these traffic circles in Jhb. The rule is that you give way to traffic in the circle coming from your right. However, we now have the phenomena of over-courteous drivers that will actually forfeit their right of way and invite yielders to take the leap and go first. I am all for courtecy but this is just plain silly. Stick to the rule and then everyone gets a turn to be courteous (by default) when their turn comes. This is tolerance gone mad. It is not about tolerance but about a rule. Same on the trails. Create rules and indicate them on signage at the trail. If we decide that decenders always yield to ascenders (as is the international rule), then we stick to that. Obviously this creates a problem for people who want to practice their downhill skills. Then we create a downhill section where ascenders have to yield, but we indicate that and make it known. It sounds to me like Tokai is anarchic. Northern farm is anarchic. The signs are non-existent or plain confusing. It's a mess. That place is very busy at times with large groups riding in fairly fast and tight peletons and one of these days we're going to have an accident with the usual consequences of closing the trail and pointing fingers everywhere. It has to be sorted out and I think Northern Farm can set the example for Gauteng. Anarchic?!!! hahaha. No, Tokai is not anarchic, people just ride and don't whinge about 'international rules'. Just pass each other the easiest way possible for both parties. How boring to have trails that are uni-directional. If you can go both ways on a trail then it gives you 2 trails to ride.They should hand out nappies at the gate for all these rule makers. Just ride, pass, go home, eat your noodles
butafly Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 Anarchic?!!! hahaha. No, Tokai is not anarchic, people just ride and don't whinge about 'international rules'. Just pass each other the easiest way possible for both parties. How boring to have trails that are uni-directional. If you can go both ways on a trail then it gives you 2 trails to ride.They should hand out nappies at the gate for all these rule makers. Just ride, pass, go home, eat your noodles until you come across me, who is not familiar with the s/track. have been once to tokai and once to jonkershoek they are ok becos you can see ahead of you but magic forest have some blind corners and nowhere to dodge. it was pure fate that i missed some ou coming up, the track splits for a bout a metre after a blind corner (don't know tech term) i always choose to go left and he was on the right, 2 seconds earlier or later we would have said howzit. can't understand why he would want to ride up that particular section as there is a great climb on a wide jeep track barely 20 metres away adjacent to the s/track.
bustthesickness Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 can't understand why he would want to ride up that particular section as there is a great climb on a wide jeep track barely 20 metres away adjacent to the s/track. Jeep tracks are boring to ride. Technical ascents are great fun to ride. A lot of races and courses have super technical single track uphills. Jeep tracks are for.........JEEPS!!!
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