Interval Training

[Slowbee]

 

YodaJon did Wits not teach you about plagiarism???..

 

As a former Wits student I?m rather appalled that you bluntly copied this article from Shannon Clark. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark25.htm

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WHO- GIVES   ???

 

Agree who cares...Yoda shot for the advice.

 

 

yep, thanks for all the advice

 

[Yang]

Porky- I actually agree with you on listening to your body for results. You can do well on this, as I did for years training for underwater hockey, swimming ( mainly surf swims), and various triathlons before monitors were invented and all I had at the pool side was my hand fins and no energy drink. But I love the numbers, and the route profiles (my non-ride buddies freak out when they see the Barberton route profile) and comparing records over time.

[slowtwitch]

obviuosly you can be extremely successful without the techno thingies. just ask Merckx and his buddies

 

BUT...

The powermeters/ HR monitors/ lab testing helps athletes to optimise their training time

 

Absolutely slowtwitch - cant agree more.!

 

I am just refuting the notion that weekend athletes and even semi pros need this equipment - use it if you want' date=' hey, its a free world, but dont tell me its essential.!

 

Thats like a red flag to a bull.!

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As one very successful athlete said: we only use these gismo's to keep ourselves amused

 

[porky]

Porky- I actually agree with you on listening to your body for results. You can do well on this' date=' as I did for years training for underwater hockey, swimming ( mainly surf swims), and various triathlons before monitors were invented and all I had at the pool side was my hand fins and no energy drink. But I love the numbers, and the route profiles (my non-ride buddies freak out when they see the Barberton route profile) and comparing records over time. [/quote']

 

Again, agree on the record keeping aspects, it cant be beat for that.

 

Maybe its just me,........... I am still very "old school", sheesh man I struggle with the DVD player.!  

[Slowbee]

with interval training .. on rest days .. does that mean no cycling ? or a gentle pedal is allowed?

 

 

[Bos]

 

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Nah porky.. cant agree with everything..

 

Theres no way You can train seriously without it.

 

I do agree with listening to your body but In between steep hills and techinical singletrack theres no way to hear that little voice when My brain is shouting Harder Faster!!

 

Riding without a HR monitor Is like riding without fuelguages in your car. Your lost.

 

 

Nonsense Boss - you THINK theres no way you can train seriously without it cos you have been told that.

 

Unlearn those thoughts.

 

Do you really think the young Ethiopean and Kenyan runners have HR moniters??

 

Okay I shall answer - NO. They dont. They just go and run' date=' and when they are tired they rest, and they are still the best endurance athletes in the world.!

 

The Eastern block countries have produced some of the worlds best endurance athletes training in the snow and howling wind, do you think they all secretly had HR instruments tucked under their parkas??

 

Do yourself a favour and see if you can get your hands on a Discovery Channel programme (I forget the name now) but do a search, its when they took 10 athletes (already all competitive) and sent them on a 10 week training course - 5 to the best sports science lab in London and 5 to the army.

 

As you can imagine those in the labs trained on the best, had the best diets, had their blood tested to see if they were overtrained, used special computer designed programmes etc,etc,

 

Those in the army, just did what they were told, they ate Army food, went to bed when they could and ran around all day on the parade ground. They never saw a training instrument.

 

At the end of the 10 weeks they were retested.

 

All 5 in the army wiped the pants off the lab trained athletes - the bottom line was, mentally they HAD to adapt whereas the lab traind athletes didnt, they were told when to eat, rest, run etc by machines, and although they improved somewhat, they lost the ability to hear what their body was telling them.

 

Makes very interesting watching - afterwards you will chuck out your HR instrument.

 

 

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OK, Since I was sleeping while you buggers were going at it, I deserve a fair Comeback

 

NO 1. Porky, I am unfortunately not someone who beleves every thing I am told. Which made for a difficult childhood and some subjects failed cause I would figure out the equasions for my self and wright one word answers for 15point questions. This is also the reason I got the nicname BOS.. Cause If someone told me something wasnt ridable, I would tell them, sais who? and take the plunge.

 

NO 2 Who gives a SH*T. if eastern block countrys and poor ethiopians run on worms and water. If they rode the olympics on 15kg postman bikes, and won it- I still wouldnt!! I will ride in the lap of luxury5" bro.

 

NO 3, I dont quite understand the point of your story in the end. How did the soldiers learn to listen to their bodys when the "MAJOR" or who ever did the training would tell them If you quit, youre out!! They learnt to listen to the MAJOR.. thats all.

 

I promise you I will kick those soldiers asses on a bike after 5 weeks.. mabe running yes. but not bikes.

 

And Finally, Since youre still learning to work the DVD player. I will plug in my garmin after training download my training data while sipping on a Protein shake and look at the route I rode, Where My HR was High I can refect on the hard times and marvel at all the meters We climbed that day..And have the record to bring back memories.

[Bos]

with interval training .. on rest days .. does that mean no cycling ? or a gentle pedal is allowed?

 

In any training.. I take Recovery ride to be a easy ride and a rest day- no riding, unlike the Tour De France where the guys still go out and do 150km.

[boeing]

 

YodaJon did Wits not teach you about plagiarism???..

 

As a former Wits student I?m rather appalled that you bluntly copied this article from Shannon Clark. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark25.htm

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WHO- GIVES   ???

 

I do. Considering this is my field of study. I go at great lengths to make sure what I say or write is in my own words, and is referenced properly. Anyone can use the copy-paste function. When honours selection for biokinetics and exercise science is so tight. I care.

 

[Legpower]

I can tell it does work.

Most of my training is done on IDT and using Intervals.

 

Within 6 months of starting to cycle and coming from a background of no sport I did one Double Century and did my first Argus in 3.40

 

I still train using intervals and see huge improvements each month,

[Bos]

Hell... Go boeing. Sorry to step on your toe mate...guess someones got to do it.

 

Once you finish studys.. you forget all about it.

[Slowbee]

thanks for the input guys

 

yang is sending me a IDT interval training program.

 

its now a case of excercise and see what happens with the 100miler !

 

[boeing]

 

 

 

Hell... Go boeing. Sorry to step on your toe mate...guess someones got to do it.

 

Once you finish studys.. you forget all about it.

 

Nah, you didn't step on my toes BOS. I didn't mean to direct any animosity towards you; sorry if that is the way it came out. It's just that there is no free thought that is stimulated with copy paste. For instance, a point was made whether slow had any aerobic capacity. Now, I dont know the capacity of the rider, and no-one will without a comprehensive test being performed, but I can guarantee that slow will only be able to perform a certain amount of intervals that his/her (sorry, Im not sure of your gender slow. SORRY) aerobic capacity will allow for.

 

Slow, make sure you dont exceed 3 intervals a week, and dont perform intervals on consecutive days. On the other days, just ride your bike at a nice aerobic pace

boeing2009-03-25 02:16:47

[SwissVan]

YodaJon did Wits not teach you about plagiarism???..

 

As a former Wits student I?m rather appalled that you bluntly copied this article from Shannon Clark. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark25.htm

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Listen to your body - I will say it again - its all the info you will need.

 

 

 

 

Porky - That may be true for people who have been training long enough to understand what their bodies are saying to them. I dont know how many stories I have heard of people who been training for years only to find out a later stage that they were either:

Training to hard most of the time

or

Training to easy most of the time.

 

Keep in mind that some people (especially newcomers to sport) dont have the experience to know what type of training to do and when to do it. Using a HR monitor (or other gizmos depending on the sport) and the related basic theory that comes with them helps you to learn and understand your own body a bit quicker.

 

As mentioned earlier, one of the big advantages is to be able to download all the data into a training log, much quicker and easier than trying to record it manualy on a piece of paper or excel sheet.

 

I spent most of winter running with my polar even tho the HR function was not working, but everything else worked and at least I have an accurate and quick way to log what i did and how far i ran.

 

Do you keep a training log and how do you update it?

 

 

 

 

[boeing]

Interesting enough, do you know that Claudio Corti shuns the use of Lactate tests etc. Very old school, and might work, but lets be honest, the more you know about your body and how it reacts under stress, the better the quality of training you will be able to obtain. Quality is better than quantity when it comes to training.

[Bos]

YodaJon did Wits not teach you about plagiarism???..

 

As a former Wits student I?m rather appalled that you bluntly copied this article from Shannon Clark. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sclark25.htm

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Listen to your body - I will say it again - its all the info you will need.

 

 

 

 

Porky - That may be true for people who have been training long enough to understand what their bodies are saying to them. I dont know how many stories I have heard of people who been training for years only to find out a later stage that they were either:

Training to hard most of the time

or

Training to easy most of the time.

 

Keep in mind that some people (especially newcomers to sport) dont have the experience to know what type of training to do and when to do it. Using a HR monitor (or other gizmos depending on the sport) and the related basic theory that comes with them helps you to learn and understand your own body a bit quicker.

 

As mentioned earlier, one of the big advantages is to be able to download all the data into a training log, much quicker and easier than trying to record it manualy on a piece of paper or excel sheet.

 

I spent most of winter running with my polar even tho the HR function was not working, but everything else worked and at least I have an accurate and quick way to log what i did and how far i ran.

 

Do you keep a training log and how do you update it?

 

 

 

 

 

Im with you swissfan. I have been riding MTb and Road more recently for around 14 years.. And I still battle to get the right "info" from my body.

 

If I dont look at my HR, I find I ride to hard on easy days especially. And battle to make out If Im having a bad day on the bike or If Im " still tired"

 

Porky: well done on all those "credentials" But I will stick to my HR monitor 

[porky]

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Keep in mind that some people (especially newcomers to sport) dont have the experience to know what type of training to do and when to do it. Using a HR monitor (or other gizmos depending on the sport) and the related basic theory that comes with them helps you to learn and understand your own body a bit quicker.

 

Do you keep a training log and how do you update it?

  

 

 

Fair enough Swiss.

 

..................but.............(theres always a "but" eh) what about your mental state??

 

Too many people think that the bodies ability is purely physical, its not - the mental componant is huge (and differs) - I feel its far better to train yourself to understand your mental and physical emotions and abilities on a day to day basis and train accordingly.

 

I used to keep a log (a small book which I copied from a running mag) but I stopped some years ago - I still train according to a "loose" programme (I juggle it around to suit my ability on the day) which has served me well, but, after so many years I just "know" what I have to do to accomplish my goal and I just judge my physical and mental state every work out and train accordingly.