Drilling cable stops and frame warranty

[jugheaddave]

Hi

 

Will I void my frame warranty if I drill my cable stops on the rear triangle of my Giant Anthem x1??

 

 

[kennyg]

I imagine so, any form of modification will lead to a void of warranty, however, a mod like that if done by your LBS should not have any issues..

NExt qustion is how long is left on your warranty, ...

[Johan Bornman]

Oh for goodness sake. Drill the damn thing. If the frame failure has nothing to do with the modification it cannot affect the gaurantee.

 

Futher, the best person to do it is you. It is not a matter of drilling, but filing and you are the most careful person out there, not your bike shop.

 

Do it.

 

Besides, when a frame goes in for a gaurantee inspection, the inspector is so focused on the crack that he won't notice the modified cable stops. It's difficult to spot unless you're looking for it.

 

 

Johan Bornman2009-06-24 00:11:51

[jugheaddave]

The bike is only a few months old.

 

Good point there Johan.

However, I just sometime get the feeling that some manufactures will do anything to not replace a warranty frame.

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Interesting.

[Tumbleweed]

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[Johan Bornman]

The bike is only a few months old.

Good point there Johan.
However' date=' I just sometime get the feeling that some manufactures will do anything to not replace a warranty frame.
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They can try, but not legally so. The lawyers here will help me out but the law protects us from that type of practice. If you paint your brand new car pink and the gearbox fails, they may not dishonour the gaurantee due to an unrelated modification, even if the American brochure warns you about it.

 

 

[Mr Mulebar]

Speaking from experience, the general policies on warranty is that any modification to the frame will void the warranty.

 

Just run a sealed cable set or get some SHIMANO sealed ends, I've been running them now for 6 years and have never had a problem with dirt ingress in my cables even in UK conditions.Mr Mulebar2009-06-24 00:43:09

[splat]

JHD: You doing full cable outers?

 

You could also use these widgets if you are concened.

BBB Hydroclamps:

 

 

[Wyatt Earp]

If the owners manual stipulates quite clearly that ANY modification will void warranty, then lawyers, please be my guest.

 

As for a straight or single cable, well it will always be debatable, get an XTR cable kit and smile with every shift, yes even in the mud.

[Mr Mulebar]

If the owners manual stipulates quite clearly that ANY modification will void warranty' date=' then lawyers, please be my guest.

 

As for a straight or single cable, well it will always be debatable, get an XTR cable kit and smile with every shift, yes even in the mud.[/quote']

 

 

 

XTR Cables

[Eugene]

Don't ask this question here, you will get many conflicting answers. Go to Dragon Sports, the Giant agents. Ask them, they will be the guys who will be doing any replacing or repairs under warranty, they are the guys who will make the decision.

 

Just ask that guy on the Hub whose warranty was void on his Giant after he painted it............

[Johan Bornman]

Speaking from experience' date=' the general policies on warranty is that any modification to the frame will void the warranty.
Just run a sealed cable set or get some SHIMANO sealed ends, I've been running them now for 6 years and have never had a problem with dirt ingress in my cables even in UK conditions.[/quote']

 

Another victim of FUD.

 

This mentality is the equivalent to dropping your rods so that corporations can squeeze your nuts.

 

It is his frame and a sensible approach to a real problem is what he's looking for. In spite of your experience, the current scheme of disjointed outer cable routing is a big problem in mountain biking, especially outside the UK where dust is an issue.

 

A cable inner, in cross section, resembles a daisy. It isn't perfectly round. The little O-ring seals in those expensive "sealed" cables cannot follow the contour of the daisy and dusts ratchets past those seals fast enough to make your second day on a stage race a difficult one and the third day, the cables are ruined.

 

One-piece cable is the only way to avoid it. Cable stops are not structural and unless you really both the job, does not affect the integrity of the frame.

 

Further, fancy "sealed" cable costs many times what a good quality standard cable costs.

 

If you are really worried about modifying the cable stops, then run the cable adjacent to the stops and secure them through the stops, with cable ties or such.

 

 

[Johan Bornman]

JHD: You doing full cable outers?

 

You could also use these widgets if you are concened.

BBB Hydroclamps:

 

 

 

I like.

 

 

[Mr Mulebar]

Speaking from experience' date=' the general policies on warranty is that any modification to the frame will void the warranty. Just run a sealed cable set or get some SHIMANO sealed ends, I've been running them now for 6 years and have never had a problem with dirt ingress in my cables even in UK conditions.[/quote']

 

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Another victim of FUD.

 

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This mentality is the equivalent to dropping your rods so that corporations can squeeze your nuts.

 

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It is his frame and a sensible approach to a real problem is what he's looking for. In spite of your experience, the current scheme of disjointed outer cable routing is a big problem in mountain biking, especially outside the UK where dust is an issue.

 

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A cable inner, in cross section, resembles a daisy. It isn't perfectly round. The little O-ring seals in those expensive "sealed" cables cannot follow the contour of the daisy and dusts ratchets past those seals fast enough to make your second day on a stage race a difficult one and the third day, the cables are ruined.

 

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One-piece cable is the only way to avoid it. Cable stops are not structural and unless you really both the job, does not affect the integrity of the frame.

 

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Further, fancy "sealed" cable costs many times what a good quality standard cable costs.

 

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If you are really worried about modifying the cable stops, then run the cable adjacent to the stops and secure them through the stops, with cable ties or such.

 

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Hi Johan,

 

 

 

Before slating someones experience and advice perhaps you should ascertain what there experience is?

 

 

 

As to your comments about dust vs mud, both are equally evil! And having finished the Epic using a XTR cable set without any shifting issues, secondly if running full outer cables was the solution to sticky cables why are there only a handfull of bike manufacturers that build frames that allow for that?

[Johan Bornman]

Well, your advice was simply your experience in muddy UK and "gat XYZ product". No analysis was provided.

 

I attempted to explain why that solution is not all it is cut out to be. Crit that, not my style.

 

As for why? I can only guess that full cable runs are heavier than piecemeal cables and with the current trend to weigh everything, it pays to do so. Piecemeal cables are also more elegant in that it doesn't bang and scrape. But practical, it aint.