Scratch Posted July 6, 2009 Share The only point LA made today is that he will never bow down to another team leader..... quite sad because he is no longer the strongest rider in the team and is going to jepordise the teams chances of success to feul his own ego. Nice for Astana's rivals to see the team divided, now they only have to race a split team. It is definately going to be an interesting tour given this development, would have been a bit one sided if Astana all rode for Contador. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted July 7, 2009 Share The only point LA made today is that he will never bow down to another team leader..... quite sad because he is no longer the strongest rider in the team and is going to jepordise the teams chances of success to feul his own ego. Nice for Astana's rivals to see the team divided' date=' now they only have to race a split team. It is definately going to be an interesting tour given this development, would have been a bit one sided if Astana all rode for Contador.[/quote'] Q: Who says they are divided, and who says he will never "bow down" for another leader? A: The peanut gallery A race like the TDF is not only won on strength, lots of other factors come into play for example experience and tactics.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />Astana / Bruyneel know how to win races like the TDF and just allowing some ?egoistical old bullet? to do his own thing and not follow team orders is definitely not one of the tricks to achieve victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trubie Posted July 7, 2009 Share The only point LA made today is that he will never bow down to another team leader..... quite sad because he is no longer the strongest rider in the team and is going to jepordise the teams chances of success to feul his own ego. Nice for Astana's rivals to see the team divided' date=' now they only have to race a split team. It is definately going to be an interesting tour given this development, would have been a bit one sided if Astana all rode for Contador.[/quote'] Q: Who says they are divided, and who says he will never "bow down" for another leader? A: The peanut gallery A race like the TDF is not only won on strength, lots of other factors come into play for example experience and tactics.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />Astana / Bruyneel know how to win races like the TDF and just allowing some ?egoistical old bullet? to do his own thing and not follow team orders is definitely not one of the tricks to achieve victory. Thank goodness, someone talking sense on the topic for a change.Well said SwissVanNo one wins 7 Tours by just being arrogant (riders and managers) But I suppose details don't matter when you are so strongly opinionated as some of our fellow hubbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willehond Posted July 7, 2009 Share I know hindsight is 20/20, but PVR is 20/20 in High Definition! If you have yesterday's stage recorded go and have a look at the 20 minutes BEFORE the split. Very interesting. Cancellara made a dash to the front about 5 minutes before the split and the commentators (over here) mockingly wondered what he was doing shooting to the front. The next thing Armstrong gets chaperoned to the front by Popo and the other one (Zubeldia?) to be close to the action. No Contador, no he has his own guy on the other side! They are clearly riding as two teams. Saying that though, it was amateur of Contador and the others to be caught out like that. Armstrong knew what was going to happen, just like everyone else (Cancellara was told by his team to move forward like the rest of his team, but he listened!) It was an awesome stage to watch. That's the way cycling should be. Unpredictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E1A104 Posted July 7, 2009 Share The tour needs la, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 X 2 Posted July 7, 2009 Share The only point LA made today is that he will never bow down to another team leader..... quite sad because he is no longer the strongest rider in the team and is going to jepordise the teams chances of success to feul his own ego. Nice for Astana's rivals to see the team divided' date=' now they only have to race a split team. It is definately going to be an interesting tour given this development, would have been a bit one sided if Astana all rode for Contador.[/quote'] Q: Who says they are divided, and who says he will never "bow down" for another leader? A: The peanut gallery A race like the TDF is not only won on strength, lots of other factors come into play for example experience and tactics.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />Astana / Bruyneel know how to win races like the TDF and just allowing some ?egoistical old bullet? to do his own thing and not follow team orders is definitely not one of the tricks to achieve victory. Thank goodness, someone talking sense on the topic for a change.Well said SwissVanNo one wins 7 Tours by just being arrogant (riders and managers) But I suppose details don't matter when you are so strongly opinionated as some of our fellow hubbers Yebo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 X 2 Posted July 7, 2009 Share I know hindsight is 20/20' date=' but PVR is 20/20 in High Definition! If you have yesterday's stage recorded go and have a look at the 20 minutes BEFORE the split. Very interesting. Cancellara made a dash to the front about 5 minutes before the split and the commentators (over here) mockingly wondered what he was doing shooting to the front. The next thing Armstrong gets chaperoned to the front by Popo and the other one (Zubeldia?) to be close to the action. No Contador, no he has his own guy on the other side! They are clearly riding as two teams. Saying that though, it was amateur of Contador and the others to be caught out like that. Armstrong knew what was going to happen, just like everyone else (Cancellara was told by his team to move forward like the rest of his team, but he listened!) It was an awesome stage to watch. That's the way cycling should be. Unpredictable.[/quote'] Anybody that has been cycling for more than a year knows that when there are side winds coming, gutters will form and brakes will hapen. It makes me wonder, not only about Contador, but a whole lot of othe top contenders that just sat in the bunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonder Woman Posted July 7, 2009 Share I know hindsight is 20/20' date=' but PVR is 20/20 in High Definition! If you have yesterday's stage recorded go and have a look at the 20 minutes BEFORE the split. Very interesting. Cancellara made a dash to the front about 5 minutes before the split and the commentators (over here) mockingly wondered what he was doing shooting to the front. The next thing Armstrong gets chaperoned to the front by Popo and the other one (Zubeldia?) to be close to the action. No Contador, no he has his own guy on the other side! They are clearly riding as two teams. Saying that though, it was amateur of Contador and the others to be caught out like that. Armstrong knew what was going to happen, just like everyone else (Cancellara was told by his team to move forward like the rest of his team, but he listened!) It was an awesome stage to watch. That's the way cycling should be. Unpredictable.[/quote'] I wish i had seen it!!Was definitely an interesting day yesterday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawieO Posted July 7, 2009 Share Hey KK and Trubie' date=' Funny how people watching the same race see such different angles, you have your view and I have mine. All I saw today was an Old Bullet who's Ego overtook his Loyalty.Contador is clearly the strongest when it matters, today Armstrong divided the team by sending HZ and YP to the front to help grow the Gap. LA opened the door today to a divided team, lets see what happens Thursday...Spain vs. Armstrong. I can't wait. Enjoy the race.[/quote'] Geez, try not to let you personal bias cloud a phenominal performance! If Contador was half the tactician that LA is, he would have been in that break with the 3 teammates that took it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacrosanct Posted July 7, 2009 Share I know hindsight is 20/20' date=' but PVR is 20/20 in High Definition! If you have yesterday's stage recorded go and have a look at the 20 minutes BEFORE the split. Very interesting. Cancellara made a dash to the front about 5 minutes before the split and the commentators (over here) mockingly wondered what he was doing shooting to the front. The next thing Armstrong gets chaperoned to the front by Popo and the other one (Zubeldia?) to be close to the action. No Contador, no he has his own guy on the other side! They are clearly riding as two teams. Saying that though, it was amateur of Contador and the others to be caught out like that. Armstrong knew what was going to happen, just like everyone else (Cancellara was told by his team to move forward like the rest of his team, but he listened!) It was an awesome stage to watch. That's the way cycling should be. Unpredictable.[/quote'] I wish i had seen it!!Was definitely an interesting day yesterday.... Your not the only one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willehond Posted July 7, 2009 Share I know hindsight is 20/20' date=' but PVR is 20/20 in High Definition! If you have yesterday's stage recorded go and have a look at the 20 minutes BEFORE the split. Very interesting. Cancellara made a dash to the front about 5 minutes before the split and the commentators (over here) mockingly wondered what he was doing shooting to the front. The next thing Armstrong gets chaperoned to the front by Popo and the other one (Zubeldia?) to be close to the action. No Contador, no he has his own guy on the other side! They are clearly riding as two teams. Saying that though, it was amateur of Contador and the others to be caught out like that. Armstrong knew what was going to happen, just like everyone else (Cancellara was told by his team to move forward like the rest of his team, but he listened!) It was an awesome stage to watch. That's the way cycling should be. Unpredictable.[/quote'] Anybody that has been cycling for more than a year knows that when there are side winds coming, gutters will form and brakes will hapen. It makes me wonder, not only about Contador, but a whole lot of othe top contenders that just sat in the bunch The problem was that the chase group was actually too big! Every team threw someone at it, but it was chaotic and disjointed and the riders complained that they couldn't find a rhythm. The only guys who bridged were five(!) guys from rookie team Skil-Shimano who jumped right after the split and worked as a team. They know wind, they're a Dutch team where you quickly learn to deal with the wind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtBryda Posted July 7, 2009 Share Hey KK and Trubie' date=' Funny how people watching the same race see such different angles, you have your view and I have mine. All I saw today was an Old Bullet who's Ego overtook his Loyalty.Contador is clearly the strongest when it matters, today Armstrong divided the team by sending HZ and YP to the front to help grow the Gap. LA opened the door today to a divided team, lets see what happens Thursday...Spain vs. Armstrong. I can't wait. Enjoy the race.[/quote'] Geez, try not to let you personal bias cloud a phenominal performance! If Contador was half the tactician that LA is, he would have been in that break with the 3 teammates that took it. LA - showed his experience and knowledge of the route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumbleweed Posted July 7, 2009 Share I know hindsight is 20/20' date=' but PVR is 20/20 in High Definition! If you have yesterday's stage recorded go and have a look at the 20 minutes BEFORE the split. Very interesting. Cancellara made a dash to the front about 5 minutes before the split and the commentators (over here) mockingly wondered what he was doing shooting to the front. The next thing Armstrong gets chaperoned to the front by Popo and the other one (Zubeldia?) to be close to the action. No Contador, no he has his own guy on the other side! They are clearly riding as two teams. Saying that though, it was amateur of Contador and the others to be caught out like that. Armstrong knew what was going to happen, just like everyone else (Cancellara was told by his team to move forward like the rest of his team, but he listened!) It was an awesome stage to watch. That's the way cycling should be. Unpredictable.[/quote'] does bruyneel speak spanish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowtwitch Posted July 7, 2009 Share Conti speaking about Evans: ""It is the one time trial where we could distance him, because he will be a rival very difficult to distance in the whole Tour,? Now, guess who he needs to do that? The master of TTT You see, the 2 need each other - like brotherly love Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissVan Posted July 7, 2009 Share The tour needs la' date=' really?[/quote'] No probably not, it survived just fine the last few years without him... BUT After being lucky enough to be present at the 1st and 2nd stages I can confirm that Armstrong was cheered louder than any other rider when he came past and every spectator that i spoke to mentioned how great it was to see LA back and that they hoped he can win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willehond Posted July 7, 2009 Share I know hindsight is 20/20' date=' but PVR is 20/20 in High Definition! If you have yesterday's stage recorded go and have a look at the 20 minutes BEFORE the split. Very interesting. Cancellara made a dash to the front about 5 minutes before the split and the commentators (over here) mockingly wondered what he was doing shooting to the front. The next thing Armstrong gets chaperoned to the front by Popo and the other one (Zubeldia?) to be close to the action. No Contador, no he has his own guy on the other side! They are clearly riding as two teams. Saying that though, it was amateur of Contador and the others to be caught out like that. Armstrong knew what was going to happen, just like everyone else (Cancellara was told by his team to move forward like the rest of his team, but he listened!) It was an awesome stage to watch. That's the way cycling should be. Unpredictable.[/quote'] does bruyneel speak spanish? He does a bit, but apparently Hincapie's Spanish is crap... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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