House of Paint / Riders of Shame

[Tumbleweed]

Hi everybody

I also have something against what these guys do and this is definatly not the first time iv heard about or seen it.

I saw the same thing happen last year after the Amashovashova crit race in PMB' date=' a few of the teams rode with no helmets back to where ever they were going after the race.

This must be the logic of pro riders these days, I hope they know about the really bad example they are setting for the younger guys and girls that look up to them.

They need to wake up and behave like the top level pro riders they claim to be and not worry about showing off there new hairstyles while riding. You are not runway models.

these roadies can take a page or 2 out of the riders from the UCI MTB world cup, when they were in PMB, i went down to watch, they all warmed up on the road with full kit and helmets ON, didnt see a single 1 with no helmet.[/quote']

 

Do you mean they should behave like these top level pro riders?

 

https://www.bikehub.co.za/forum_posts.asp?TID=55266&PN=2

 

 

 

mandibles, i was thinking about that. you often see the euro pros photographed without helmets on training camps. i think it was in procycling that it took a number of readers' letters before they forced their test riders to wear pip protectors.

[ET08]

Okay, so they set a bad example.  What about our own kids (mine still a bit too young to ride)?  Do they wear helmets to school?  I don't see many that do...

[Tumbleweed]

on a slightly different tack, how many of the house of paint riders are household names? many kids may have heard of john-lee and robery, but, although jamie ball is the current national champ, i doubt many youngsters know who he is. 

[Pickled]

Guys' date=' the solution is simple. If they don't want to wear their helmets, thats their choice. They may turn out organ donors, they may not. But it is their choice. Just like the guys speeding, not wearing a seatbelt... Its their choice. The only thing that they need to do is face the consequence of their action. If they crash, the scramble their pip, that is their choice and their consequence. if it is against the law and they get fined, thats the consequence, if their sponsors rip them a new one, thats their consequence.[/quote']

 

 

talking of which, has anyone ever heard of someone being fined for this?

 

 

 

Can somebody please quote the law incl. Paragraph number & year?

 

 

 

 

 

This may help...

 

http://www.arrivealive.co.za/pages.aspx?i=540

 

but, I could not find mention of it in the law document published on the web, so...

[Iwan Kemp]

 

Did anyone think that it might have been safer to cross while the light was red???

 

 

 

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Ya' date=' it probably was. Just the same is it was probably safer for the OP to have passengers in his car without their seatbelts on, and probably why it is safer for him to speed when he feels he wont get caught. [/quote']

 

 

 

Are you doing okay over there? Seriously. I do get caught for speeding, but I staan pa for that. Me.

 

 

 

Honestly speaking I don't think the kid made the comment cause he knows who the HOP riders are or that it was them. He saw okes riding their bikes without a helmet on and couldn't understand why his dad is trying to make him wear one. Even when riding just down the road to Pana KUK.

 

 

 

Some of you remind me of a guy I worked with. He would fight and argue and spit and scream ANY opposing point of view.

 

 

 

I'm sure if I posted that I saw HOP ride helmetless and I think it's a great idea for people to decide what they want to do, some of you (TNT) would argue that it's not safe and the law is the law.

 

 

 

Clearly you've also never been sponsored jack so you won't know or understand the responsibility you have towards the guy putting money in your pocket. Directly or indirectly.

 

 

 

And yes, I went to HOP'S website to drop them an email. You show me the Contact Us link and I'll drop them the email. I'm not hiding, I'm not ranting I'm posting my cycling related topic on a cycling forum.

 

 

 

I don't jump on here every weekend when roadies ride four abreast and then complain next weekend when anotherokegot knocked down. These are professionals who should act accordingly.

[Guest Big H]

on a slightly different tack' date=' how many of the house of paint riders are household names? many kids may have heard of john-lee and robery, but, although jamie ball is the current national champ, i doubt many youngsters know who he is. [/quote']

 

"robery" should be spelt with two R's!!!!!!!

 

Run and hide buddy.... run and hide. You know what he does with critics!!!!!!!

[Tumbleweed]

on a slightly different tack' date=' how many of the house of paint riders are household names? many kids may have heard of john-lee and robery, but, although jamie ball is the current national champ, i doubt many youngsters know who he is. [/quote']

 

"robery" should be spelt with two R's!!!!!!!

 

Run and hide buddy.... run and hide. You know what he does with critics!!!!!!!

 

 

?it's okay, my boet knows him well, and robery, er, robert knows he has typing trouble too. 

[ET08]

 

 

Did anyone think that it might have been safer to cross while the light was red???

 

 

 

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Ya' date=' it probably was. Just the same is it was probably safer for the OP to have passengers in his car without their seatbelts on, and probably why it is safer for him to speed when he feels he wont get caught. [/quote']

 

 

 

Are you doing okay over there? Seriously. I do get caught for speeding, but I staan pa for that. Me.

 

 

 

Honestly speaking I don't think the kid made the comment cause he knows who the HOP riders are or that it was them. He saw okes riding their bikes without a helmet on and couldn't understand why his dad is trying to make him wear one. Even when riding just down the road to Pana KUK.

 

 

 

Some of you remind me of a guy I worked with. He would fight and argue and spit and scream ANY opposing point of view.

 

 

 

I'm sure if I posted that I saw HOP ride helmetless and I think it's a great idea for people to decide what they want to do, some of you (TNT) would argue that it's not safe and the law is the law.

 

 

 

Clearly you've also never been sponsored jack so you won't know or understand the responsibility you have towards the guy putting money in your pocket. Directly or indirectly.

 

 

 

And yes, I went to HOP'S website to drop them an email. You show me the Contact Us link and I'll drop them the email. I'm not hiding, I'm not ranting I'm posting my cycling related topic on a cycling forum.

 

 

 

I don't jump on here every weekend when roadies ride four abreast and then complain next weekend when anotherokegot knocked down. These are professionals who should act accordingly.

 

Amen Brother!

 

[Eldron]

This thread has been fun!

 

The helmet/red light/zapp aside I'm just not a bit fan of public flaying - starting a thread like this AND arguing that riders without helmets will push sponsors away is silly. Dragging this into the public domain will give HoP a much worse name than them actually riding without helmets...

 

I'm a "have a quiet word" kinda guy - if one of my employess causes *** I take him/her into an office and "have a quiet word". In my opinion this is what The Crow should have done - going public is the equivalent of calling a company wide meeting, dragging poor Fred from Accounts onto the podium and publically berating him for poor performance...it doesn't help anyone...

 

 

[Joe Low]

Ahh, nice to see the Hub at its anally-retentive best.

 

Post-race a cple of young sportsmen are goofin-off.

 

It

Just

Doesnt

Matter

 

Find something else to make yourselves unhappy about.

 

 

[Cliffhanger]

Ahh' date=' nice to see the Hub at its anally-retentive best.

 

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Post-race a cple of young sportsmen are goofin-off.

 

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Matter

 

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Find something else to make yourselves unhappy about.

 

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Well Said Joe

 

[No Name]

No one says that you HAVE to wear a helmet after a race. If you do not want to then don't...If you have some brain cells you want to protect then do wear one.

I do not think they should be "setting" any safety standard....we should all just look after ourselfs.

Are you also going to "NAME and SHAME" every person leaving the race and not wearing their safety belts???

 

The law actually states that you have to wear a helmet at all times!

[Cliffhanger]

No one says that you HAVE to wear a helmet after a race. If you do not want to then don't...If you have some brain cells you want to protect then do wear one. I do not think they should be "setting" any safety standard....we should all just look after ourselfs. Are you also going to "NAME and SHAME" every person leaving the race and not wearing their safety belts???

 

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The law actually states that you have to wear a helmet at all times!

 

 

 

HMM never heard of it before...and if so...I wonder do these people also have a forum to moan about people talking on their cell phones while driving?

 

 

 

I am just sick of people moaning cyclist....I wish they would just keep their own noses clean and not worry about others.

[Myra]

Someone asked about the legislation.  Just for interest, it is regulation 207 of the National Road Traffic Regulations which were promulgated in terms of the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996.

 

207 Compulsory wearing of protective helmet
 (2) After expiry of three years from the date of commencement of this regulation, no person shall drive or be a passenger on a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is wearing a protective helmet which fits him or her properly and of which the chin straps is properly fastened under the chin.

 

[wef 5 October 2001]

 

Definitions (in terms of the Act):

 

'pedal cycle' means any bicycle or tricycle designed for propulsion solely by means of human power

 

'public road' means any road, street or thoroughfare or any other place (whether a thoroughfare or not) which is commonly used by the public or any section thereof or to which the public or any section thereof has a right of access, and includes- 
(a) the verge of any such road, street or thoroughfare; 
(b) any bridge, ferry or drift traversed by any such road, street or thoroughfare; and
© any other work or object forming part of or connected with or belonging to such road, street or thoroughfare

[Danger Dassie]

Ahh' date=' nice to see the Hub at its anally-retentive best.

 

Post-race a cple of young sportsmen are goofin-off.

 

It

Just

Doesnt

Matter

 

Find something else to make yourselves unhappy about.

 

 

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Wait until someone rides a Raleigh through a stop street/red robot, helmetless, topless and throwing litter, for added effect a middle finger to the world as well.

[Guest Agteros]

 

Someone asked about the legislation.  Just for interest' date=' it is regulation 207 of the National Road Traffic Regulations which were promulgated in terms of the National Road Traffic Act 93 of 1996.

 

207 Compulsory wearing of protective helmet

 (2) After expiry of three years from the date of commencement of this regulation, no person shall drive or be a passenger on a pedal cycle on a public road unless he or she is wearing a protective helmet which fits him or her properly and of which the chin straps is properly fastened under the chin.

 

[wef 5 October 2001']

 

Definitions (in terms of the Act):

 

'pedal cycle' means any bicycle or tricycle designed for propulsion solely by means of human power

 

'public road' means any road, street or thoroughfare or any other place (whether a thoroughfare or not) which is commonly used by the public or any section thereof or to which the public or any section thereof has a right of access, and includes- 

(a) the verge of any such road, street or thoroughfare; 

(b) any bridge, ferry or drift traversed by any such road, street or thoroughfare; and

© any other work or object forming part of or connected with or belonging to such road, street or thoroughfare

 

 

That was me, but unfortunately this law falls into the same category of unenforceable

laws that has been passed in the last few years. Furthermore, the

application of a law must be equal,  fair and just. So, the low income

rural commuter who can't afford a helmet should be punished equally to

the recreational suburban before this can be applied. Until then ... well it is your own head you are exposing to danger!

 

 

The full text (PDF) is available on http://www.kzntransport.gov.za/reading_room/acts/national/National%20Road%20Traffic%20Act%20&%20Regulations.pdf

 

 

Of interest is the comments in the arrive alive link posted earlier

"n October 2004, regulation 207(2) of the National Road

Traffic Regulation became effective after being passed three years

earlier.

 

The regulation orders the compulsory wearing of a protective helmet

that is properly fastened and fitted while riding a bicycle or being

carried as a passenger.

 

Traffic department officials will be meeting soon with chief

magistrates to decide upon a suitable penalty for breaking the helmet

law.

 

 

An Arrive Alive provincial spokesperson in the Border Area was unclear

as to whether wearing helmets was compulsory for cyclists when asked by

the Daily Dispatch, but he said he would "obviously prefer it to be so".

 

Border Cycling's Kevin Vincent said that he had had "a suspicion" that

the law had been passed last year, but had "heard nothing about it".

 

"Nothing's been published and steps should be taken, not just by our

local traffic department but nationally, to start warning people of the

law."

 

 

 

 

South African Cycling Federation officials body chairman Craig Hawtrey

said that international cycling rules had prescribed the use of helmets

for racing cyclists since the beginning of last year, and he welcomed

the introduction of the same law for leisure cyclists."