Quality of Muscle Science Products

[Thug]

 

 

Indigo kid if you can please show me some facts on your rediculous statements on the USN products to back up your claims. Ive used USN for 10 years now and i can promise you they make only the highest of quality products and are constantly reformulating products to ensure the best quality. If you have any questions i challange you to prove me wrong. I work for USN and have the best available info at my disposal so any questions anybody has on our products or biogen feel free to ask.

 

 

 

Would you care to disclose the names of flavourants and colourants that are used in most USN products?

 

 

 

Just wondering as a vast number of commercially used flavourants and colourants are petroleum based i.e. not very good for you and many others are known to be carsonogenic.

 

 

 

And as for acesulfame-K that is used in many of your products:Acesulfame K: What is the negative side?

 

 

 

"The problems surrounding acesulfame K are based on the improper testing and lack of long-term studies. Acesulfame K does contain the carcinogen methylene chloride. Long-term exposure to methylene chloride can cause headaches' date=' depression, nausea, mental confusion, liver effects, kidney effects, visual disturbances, and cancer in humans."

 

 

 

Interested to hear your reply, as you said you work for USN and should have the info?[/quote']

 

Interesting......

 

Doubt a reply will be forthcoming though.

 

 

 

[Mr Mulebar]

Yep, and people wonder why the suffer from headaches and stomach upsets after training/racing with most of the stuff that's out there!

[SwissVan]

You are wasting R700 a month on useless suplements. You dont need any of those to "recover"

What would you suggest one use for recovery then?

 

Low Fat milk drinks, choose a flavour you like (Chocolates my favourite)

Sliced biltong, try skip the obviously fatty bits.

Any commercial ready mixed sports drink (powerade, energade or even normal coke etc...)

 

Ok so the biltong might be expensive but you only need to eat a small amount after your ride.

 

Marketing plays a huge role in the consumption of sports supplements, and each manufacturer will naturaly list various studies proving the benifets thereof. Commercial supplement products where not always available and yet athletes always managed to recover just fine eating naturaly.

 

Basic requirements for recovery are water, carbohydrate, protein and rest.

 

 

 

 

[Pornstar]

 

[Pornstar]

this is for the gel, will post energy drink later

[wiMPers]

Thanks Pornstar! Please do post the same for your other products. I challenge other supplement manufacturers to do the same...

[Pornstar]

 

[Pornstar]

That is one of the flavours of energy drink we do, all product should have these

[Prins-USN]

We often receive queries on our product quality, efficacy and formulations.

This has been a recurring cycle of abuse from independent individuals who

believe that they have a profound knowledge of the industry, the MCC

regulations, GMP, product development, packaging and ultimately the delivery

of the product to the end user. Comments that start with the phrase 'I have

heard' bear little weight behind them. As they say, the proof is in the

pudding, and if you have not used USN's range of product, you cannot judge

it. For that matter, you cannot judge any brand if you have not used it.

 

The 'universal mark' in the company's logo is symbolic of global scientific

findings and the latest clinical research that inspires our scientists to

produce state-of-the-art product formulations. Raw materials are sourced

from around the world, and then mixed in pharmaceutical laboratories

(Europe, Australia and South Africa) according to formulae developed by

USN's global team of scientists.

 

Underpinning the USN message is a concentration on ethics and honesty, so

that consumers are properly educated about which products to use and how to

use them. As a result, USN has very quickly built a loyal customer base,

which inherently trusts the products to help them achieve their goals.

 

 

At USN we aim to provide world class nutritional supplements with the

highest possible quality. USN products are being manufactured according to

stringent GMP and MCC regulations and therefore proactive steps are taken to

ensure that our products are safe, pure, and effective.

 

As part of this system, hundreds of laboratory tests are being performed on

a monthly basis to ensure that ingredients used in products

 

*        Comply with suppliers' Certificates of Analyses

*        Comply with microbiological standards

*        Are pure and free from contaminants (including banned substances)

 

In addition, independent SANAS Accredited Laboratory tests are performed on

a monthly basis to ensure that the final USN products are in accordance with

labelled quantities. We use independent laboratories to perform over 2000

tests per annum on raw materials and final product.

 

Our qualified R&D team works closely with international pharmaceutical

companies to ensure that:

 

*        Formulations are inspired by the latest research

*        Products meet all label claims

*        Product labelling adheres to the applicable Labelling Regulations

 

 We are stringent in our business, and we demand Certificates of Compliance

(Analyses) form our raw material suppliers. 

 

In addition we have established working relationships with ESSNA (European

Specialised Sports Nutrition Alliance), SAIDS (South African Institute for

Drug Free Sport) as well as the University of the Free State to further

assist us in product development and testing. We believe in going beyond

what is expected of any player in this industry.

 

Individuals who claim to have the product testing analysis sheets are more

than welcome to enter into discussion with us. Our business is transparent,

and we work diligently towards delivering a premium product to the end-user.

 

 

None of our retail partners or the relative authorities who govern what we

do would want to associate themselves with a brand or range of products that

do not conform to the legislation around the industry. We remain the leader

in sports nutrition in South Africa and a key player in Europe as a result

of the effort we put into delivering a premium brand.

[wiMPers]

We often receive queries on our product quality' date=' efficacy and formulations.
This has been a recurring cycle of abuse from independent individuals who
believe that they have a profound knowledge of the industry, the MCC
regulations, GMP, product development, packaging and ultimately the delivery
of the product to the end user. Comments that start with the phrase 'I have
heard' bear little weight behind them. As they say, the proof is in the
pudding, and if you have not used USN's range of product, you cannot judge
it. For that matter, you cannot judge any brand if you have not used it.

The 'universal mark' in the company's logo is symbolic of global scientific
findings and the latest clinical research that inspires our scientists to
produce state-of-the-art product formulations. Raw materials are sourced
from around the world, and then mixed in pharmaceutical laboratories
(Europe, Australia and South Africa) according to formulae developed by
USN's global team of scientists.

Underpinning the USN message is a concentration on ethics and honesty, so
that consumers are properly educated about which products to use and how to
use them. As a result, USN has very quickly built a loyal customer base,
which inherently trusts the products to help them achieve their goals.


At USN we aim to provide world class nutritional supplements with the
highest possible quality. USN products are being manufactured according to
stringent GMP and MCC regulations and therefore proactive steps are taken to
ensure that our products are safe, pure, and effective.

As part of this system, hundreds of laboratory tests are being performed on
a monthly basis to ensure that ingredients used in products

*        Comply with suppliers' Certificates of Analyses
*        Comply with microbiological standards
*        Are pure and free from contaminants (including banned substances)

In addition, independent SANAS Accredited Laboratory tests are performed on
a monthly basis to ensure that the final USN products are in accordance with
labelled quantities. We use independent laboratories to perform over 2000
tests per annum on raw materials and final product.

Our qualified R&D team works closely with international pharmaceutical
companies to ensure that:

*        Formulations are inspired by the latest research
*        Products meet all label claims
*        Product labelling adheres to the applicable Labelling Regulations

 We are stringent in our business, and we demand Certificates of Compliance
(Analyses) form our raw material suppliers. 

In addition we have established working relationships with ESSNA (European
Specialised Sports Nutrition Alliance), SAIDS (South African Institute for
Drug Free Sport) as well as the University of the Free State to further
assist us in product development and testing. We believe in going beyond
what is expected of any player in this industry.

Individuals who claim to have the product testing analysis sheets are more
than welcome to enter into discussion with us. Our business is transparent,
and we work diligently towards delivering a premium product to the end-user.


None of our retail partners or the relative authorities who govern what we
do would want to associate themselves with a brand or range of products that
do not conform to the legislation around the industry. We remain the leader
in sports nutrition in South Africa and a key player in Europe as a result
of the effort we put into delivering a premium brand.

[/quote']

 

Please can you follow Pornstars example and post some "Certificates of Compliance". I am sure there is a lot of hubbers out there that will appreciate it...

[BeegMig]

I also used MSc. Wasn't impressed. And they don't take negative feedback good. One of their reps once asked me what i think of the product, when i told him(with respect ). He got aggro.

[Prins-USN]

Will do. Just to add on something interesting i have heard in the trade, they say muscle science arnt manufacturing in labs but at there suppliers therefore influancing there quality big time.

Hope everybody who road dome to dome had a good one. I did!

[Guest Agteros]

Thanks, had a good D2D yes, without any fancy supplements... Just Energade and some fruit based energy gels Ate wholewheat Pronutro as breakfast. Did not run out of energy during the race at all...

 

Had peanut butter and syrup (can't stand honey) sarmies with more Energade and 500ml of Coke afterwards, and later some potato salad.

 

Think I'll try and rub Mizina (sp? - ladies help!) into my legs after the next race coz they feel a bit pap and mushy tonight....

[Capricorn]

 

USN,?In my, and a bunch of other folks experienced opinions. tastes crap. Evox in comparison is actually worthy of being consumable. ?As one person quite aptly remarked: it seemed USN spent most of the money on the outside.

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As for compliance, a colleague of mine had a huge beef with USN with regard to a certain certification. The proof they provided was some really sketchy copy of a certificate issued in India. The colleagued followed up with local certification authorities, but they did not know of this indian body, indicating that there appeared not to be universality to the certification. Any queries as to when local certification (which makes sense to South Africans) was due, was met by the classic time buyer" we are looking into it".

Horse manure. Obfuscation at best. Nonetheless. my colleague and bunch of his muscle mania buddies ditched the bitch and went to Evox. havent looked back. Nice to know that with the Evox smart carb shakes, you actually dont pick up weight consuming them, in comparision to the Diet Fuels, which is such a misnomer.

Capricorn2009-09-13 13:51:17

[Mr Mulebar]

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Nice bit of PR drawn up by the marketing dept, you haven't answered any questions though!

[Mr Mulebar]

Just read the last paragraph properly, could you please justify how USN is a key player in Europe?

 

 

 

Having just come back from 6 years living in Europe I can say that I have never seen USN products there or heard anyone in the sports industry that I worked with there mention the brand.