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Guest Agteros

 

@ the family: May God be with you during this time of bereavement. Prayers that your daughter will be a full recovery, both physical and emotionally.

 

@Bos: good advice, I 'crashed' at Slave's place for a well rested rest before driving the 50km home. I could not even think straight enough to take down my tent, never mind driving home!

 

@TheRest: We know that cyclists are never wrong (especially hubbers), and that the hub is not just the centre of cycling, but of the whole world. Unfortunately for those who believe that, you sometimes HAVE to look further than thehub.

 

Have a read what the real 4x4'ers had to say about the Fortuner:

http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=26779

http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php?t=21902

 

 

Agteros2009-12-07 05:56:39

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Yep I agree. I swerved a couple of times on the way home from Parys earlier this year. R.I.P.

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What ever caused the accident, the fact still remains that the fortuner rolls easier than other cars.  Possible another make of SUV would not have rolled.

It is really sad and I feel for the daughter.
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What ever caused the accident' date=' the fact still remains that the fortuner rolls easier than other cars.  Possible another make of SUV would not have rolled.

It is really sad and I feel for the daughter.
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Please provide evidence to support this 'fact'

 

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I read a review on a Pajero my dad just bought were they say it rolled over due to the highgrip of the offroad tyres... Im like um ok....

 

Face the facts unless its a proper Sandton 4x4 (Porsche/BMW/Audi) they will roll as their centre of gravity is high...
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Fortuners, Padjies, Discos, yep all proper 4x4s are not high speed road machine... And should not be mistaken as such!

 

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Cute... "Real 16's" are they? Aren't they just another random bunch of interweb morons like us, except they take it pout on cars, not bicycles?  Same as everything else on the internets, take it with a pinch or 16 of salt. I can just as easy refer you to sites that condemn the handling of this particular car.

 

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Fortuners' date=' Padjies, Discos, yep all proper 4x4s are not high speed road machine... And should not be mistaken as such![/quote']

 

 

 

smiley5.gif Look at the statistics , not the Fortuner owners forum or the Toyota web site !!!

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Fortuners' date=' Padjies, Discos, yep all proper 4x4s are not high speed road machine... And should not be mistaken as such![/quote']

 

 

 

smiley5.gif Look at the statistics , not the Fortuner owners forum or the Toyota web site !!!

 

Please provide the stats (researched, balance, unbiased and considered) so we can have a look at them.

 

Otherwise we can continue with the Hubs preferred pastime of bashing everybody and anything based purely on self important unsubstantiated opinion

 

 

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Toyota SA has acknowledged that its popular Fortuner SUVs may experience handling problems on gravel surfaces and will fit different tyres to new models from September 2008.

 

 

 

This follows intense debate on the SA 4x4 Community Forum by members who experienced handling problems with their Fortuners while driving on corrugated surfaces.

 

 

 

The forum has more than 4500 members, including more than 130 registered Fortuner owners.

 

 

 

Toyota SA spokesperson Ferdi de Vos said various people had complained on the forum and in the August/September issue of Drive Out magazine about the handling of the vehicle on gravel surfaces

 

The driver was experienced on gravel surfaces.

 

 

 

One reader wrote in and said a friend's two-week-old Fortuner had rolled on a gravel surface at 60km/h and was written off. Luckily, the passengers had not been seriously injured. The driver was experienced on gravel surfaces.

 

 

 

De Vos said Toyota SA wasn't sure who to believe and was trying to contact the owners who were experiencing problems with the vehicle so that they could be resolved.

 

 

 

A common consensus on the forum seemed to be that solutions could be found in the suspension and tyres. Some claimed that their vehicle had experienced handling problems but, once the tyres and suspension were changed, these problems went away.

 

 

 

Other 4x4 enthusiasts debated whether the handling difficulties could be explained by tyre pressure, vehicle load and the vehicle's speed

 

Toyota carried out its own investigation.

 

 

 

De Vos said no official complaint about the handling of the vehicle had been received by Toyota but it had informed the technical department of the concerns and it had carried out its own investigation.

 

 

 

"It was found that the perceived problem revolves around certain specified tyres for the Fortuner. These tyres were initially chosen for their favourable noise, vibration and harshness properties, but will be replaced from September 2008 with different tyres to address any possible handling concerns."

 

 

 

The original specification tyres fitted on the Fortuner were Continental General Grabber 265/70 R16. De Vos said the tyre would have a revised band angle from September.

 

 

 

'Contact your dealer'

 

 

 

"In the meantime all Toyota dealers have been informed about this tyre change and owners with any concern in regard to the handling capabilities of their Fortuner can contact their nearest Toyota dealer, who will inform one of our technical field teams to deal with the matter."

 

 

 

If a Fortuner owner would like to replace the tyres Toyota SA would work out who was liable for the cost according to a formula taking account of factors such as tyre wear at the time of replacement, De Vos said. This would be negotiated between the dealer and owner.

 

 

 

Gauteng members of the online forum have arranged to meet near Pretoria on Saturday (Augus 23). They will drive each other's vehicles, some of which will be standard and others with modified suspension and tyres. In this way they hope to ascertain whether the handling errors were a matter of driver perception or a problem involving all Fortuners.

 

 

 

Toyota can be reached at 0800 139 111.

 

 

 

We are asking Continental Tyres for their comments.

 

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Safer. On dirt roads too?

 

 

 

Let?s not evade the issue; Toyota had a veritable public relations disaster on its hands last year when rumours were circulating that Fortuner was about as stable on dirt roads as a fridge laden skateboard was downhill.

 

 

 

Now, with bigger (dare I say better?) tyres, comprehensive vehicle stability electronics (VSC) and six airbags, any issues surrounding Fortuner safety should be allayed. Or perhaps not?

 

 

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kewl, thanks.

 

1st anonymous cut&paste refers to tyres.

2nd post refers to shocks (and tyres as well)? (shocks mentioned in the links I posted as well)

3rd post refers to tyres as well...

 

Tyres (and typre pressure when towing) were pointed out as potential problems with these (and other 4x4 type vehicles) a while ago.

 

Sounds a lot like the problems Ford USA had with their SUVs rolling.... So it is most probably a problem with this type of vehicle design than the specific vehicle / manufacturer?

 

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Mmmmmm

 

Those are the tyres on my new D/Cab

So far they seem ok on dirt,however,I have heard that they can be a problem in the wet on tar as they cannot get rid of the water
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Agteros, I think you are right, it's the vehicle, design, and the way people attempt to use them. You see all the time, people in their soft off roaders going at 120 (ha, maybe a tad faster) and the inherent design is not made for that speed.

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