M 's HR soars with little exertion.... why????

[Guest Big H]

We started training on the spinners about three weeks ago..... I can feel my old vasbyt and working hard returning big time. Being able to stand for a whole song, keeping HR up and burning a lot of KCals. M on the other hand sits and spins with almost no resistance with a HR of 65% OF MAX.... adds a little resistance and her HR% jumps to 85% of max. I tried the visible exertion test and she complained of tiredness and being out of breath so I do not think it is the HR monitor. Same as mine Polar S725X. She never used to be like that. Previously, that was before December, we were fairly fit with our perceived fitness base fairly good. I picked up quickly but she seems to have lost it. Any reason?????? 

[The Guy in Pink]

Just unfit,  after a lay off (even 10days) the heart rate becomes very "unstable". and revs freely. Once a bit of fitness is regained it soome returns to normal.

[slowjoe]

overweight maybe ?

[The Saint]

MMMMMM - running to get my popcorn and beer this is going to be good

[Guest Big H]

M is anners as ek stadige piet, sy se as sy niks se nie, is daar niks nie.... sorry Muxie no beer and popcorn this round for you!!!!!!

 

Thanx Pinkie!!!!! M se ook dankie en groete!!!!!

Big H2007-06-11 12:40:49

[dylankeyter]

what should your heart rate stick around when you tting? im 17 so i suppose 180?

[bruce]

We started training on the spinners about three weeks ago..... I can feel my old vasbyt and working hard returning big time. Being able to stand for a whole song' date=' keeping HR up and burning a lot of KCals. M on the other hand sits and spins with almost no resistance with a HR of 65% OF MAX.... adds a little resistance and her HR% jumps to 85% of max. I tried the visible exertion test and she complained of tiredness and being out of breath so I do not think it is the HR monitor. Same as mine Polar S725X. She never used to be like that. Previously, that was before December, we were fairly fit with our perceived fitness base fairly good. I picked up quickly but she seems to have lost it. Any reason?????? [/quote']

 

Big H, how did you determine what M's max heartrate actually is?

[SwissVan]

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Big H' date=' how did you determine what M's max heartrate actually is?

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Pleez no dont tell us  there are youngsters lurking around (and posting occasional c*ap)

 

 

SwissVan2007-06-11 13:18:40

[Guest Big H]

Bruce We firstly made use of the Own Fitness test on the HR Monitor. That gave a HR of 180. We then made use of the Karvonnen Formula

211 - (0.5 x age)

I then used a spreadsheet I got from Gideon at Polar. This spreadsheet works out HR for a Female Athlete as well as Sedentary female. Athlete for M is 183 (also Karvonnen) but Sedentary is 169. I suppose we must rather use sedentary until her fittness improves???? I am a bit scared to let her go untill she blows!!!!! I am not trained to do that nor are we near anybody that can determine that properly.

 

I think that settles her HRmax. I also assume I can then use the answer by Pinky above ???? and that we must just "byt vas" for her to return to fitness.

 

I suppose I am just blessed with a naturally strong physique????!!!!!!

 

O ja and M said "ego as well" tee heee!!!!

Big H2007-06-11 13:25:36

[Guest Big H]

Why is the post posted above placed in a collumn???????? I saw it elsewhere today as well??????

[BikeMax]

Be a little cautious Big H - a response like this can indicate some sort of cardiovascular problem and you may be advised to get a check up (exercise ECG or similar)

 

It may well be just poor fitness but better to be safe.

 

[bruce]

H, those methods of determining max HR are bell curve statistical type stuff.  Which means that it is highly unlikely that the numbers are correct for any one individual (given the spread of the bell curve).

 

Anyway, I would recommend that she rides at a level she is comfortable with, incrementally increasing the load on a weekly basis.

[bruce]

Be a little cautious Big H - a response like this can indicate some sort of cardiovascular problem and you may be advised to get a check up (exercise ECG or similar)

It may well be just poor fitness but better to be safe.

 

Good point!

[Guest Big H]

Well just a little background:-

 

- no cardiovascular history in her family.

- Blood Pressure of 130/81 (measured minutes ago) with pulse of 58.

- In December she could maintain a brisk one hour ride on the Tandem with an average HR 78% of max.

 

Does a cardio condition happen suddenly or does it develop over time? Should we stop training and have the ECG done? Could she ignore and train with caution and see if she picks up her tempo eventually?

 

I am a bit confused as I do not know where to have this done in Lagos and we will only return stateside at end of August.

 

Many thanx for all the help so far.

Big H2007-06-11 13:49:54

[BikeMax]

 

Well just a little background:-

 

- no cardiovascular history in her family.

- Blood Pressure of 130/81 (measured minutes ago) with pulse of 58.

- In December she could maintain a brisk one hour ride on the Tandem with an average HR 78% of max.

 

Does a cardio condition happen suddenly or does it develop over time? Should we stop training and have the ECG done? Could she ignore and train with caution and see if she picks up her tempo eventually?

 

I am a bit confused as I do not know where to have this done in Lagos and we will only return stateside at end of August.

 

Many thanx for all the help so far.

 

I am no doctor and after years seeing people suddenly keel over in the gym, I am very cautious.

 

The facts you state tend to make me think there is no underlying problem and that risk factors are relatively low - others might be;

 

1. Over weight / High fat diet

2. Smoker

3. High stress

 

BP looks good and the lack of any history is very good news.

 

If she only experinces shortness of breath with increased intensity then it may simply be lack of fitness.

 

I would keep a close eye on her and ensure that all progression is very slow and measured - any discomfort then stop and rest.

 

[Guest Big H]

1. Over weight / High fat diet (1,75m and 70kg/she is now on cholestrol medication.... see below)
2. Smoker (previously but she (and I) now clean for 13 years)
3. High stress (none .... she is retired and a "kept" lady!!!)

 

i cannot remember what her cholestrol reading was but is was just over the "wrong" reading and the MD said that with the correct diet she should be able to bring it back to normal. Due to no real control over our diet as we eat form a restaurant the MD indicated that just as a precautionary measure she use the cholestrol medication. We keep our diet as sane as possible with very little red meat, lots of chicken and fish with salads and we have "trained" the kitchen to cook our meals lean!!!!!! As an example of our food intake, I have lost 16kg since we arrived here in February. My weight is now stabilising with the increased training and as normal this is muscle mass. My mm around the waist is still shrinking.