Difference between 32GI and USN Epic Pro

[Blackadder]

In response to some queries raised on this thread:

 

 

USN EPIC PRO GI LEVELS

It has been widely accepted internationally to not give exact GI numbers for foods anymore. Instead, GI values are now classified as LOW, INTERMEDIATE or HIGH. This is largely because there is such variation between individuals and their responses to the same foods. The GI of the raw ingredients in USN Epic Pro is intermediate-to-high, however due to the protein ingredients and addition of intermediate GI carb sources, it ends up as intermediate and is ideal for long distance training/racing and recovery. A GI that is too low causes an initial drop in blood sugar levels prior to the energy levels becoming boosted. A low-GI concept for endurance training/racing may work for some, but it’s not recommended by nutrition science.

 

Is this true?

[outoftowner]

Nothing beats Powerade! The blue one.cause I laaik the colour!

[MDW]

Is this true?

Hi Blackadder

Its an extremely debatable subject, the answer is yes for many years sports science was against low GI and always reccommended high GI products or quicker releasing carbs, however sports science is now seeing the light and with the likes of Prof Tim Noakes 180 degree turn around to focus on protein fat diets you are starting to see a massive amount of athletes moving in this direction with a lot of success, including the likes of Bruce Fordyce, Shaun Mikaeljohn and others. Its not clear cut, sports nutrition is not a clear science and low to medium GI works wonders for people like myself especially in longer endurance events because I want to use my fat stores as my energy source, putting a product into your system that spikes your insulin levels too much will negate this, and you are missing out on using one of the most powerful natural energy stores given to man ;-)/

Edited September 10, 2012 by MDW

[Helpmytrap]

Hi Blackadder

Its an extremely debatable subject, the answer is yes for many years sports science was against low GI and always reccommended high GI products or quicker releasing carbs, however sports science is now seeing the light and with the likes of Prof Tim Noakes 180 degree turn around to focus on protein fat diets you are starting to see a massive amount of athletes moving in this direction with a lot of success, including the likes of Bruce Fordyce, Shaun Mikaeljohn and others. Its not clear cut, sports nutrition is not a clear science and low to medium GI works wonders for people like myself especially in longer endurance events because I want to use my fat stores as my energy source, putting a product into your system that spikes your insulin levels too much will negate this, and you are missing out on using one of the most powerful natural energy stores given to man ;-)/

On another note, your body also needs fat in order to absorb and transfer nutrients in and around your body if I'm not mistaken.

[Blackadder]

Hi Blackadder

Its an extremely debatable subject, the answer is yes for many years sports science was against low GI and always reccommended high GI products or quicker releasing carbs, however sports science is now seeing the light and with the likes of Prof Tim Noakes 180 degree turn around to focus on protein fat diets you are starting to see a massive amount of athletes moving in this direction with a lot of success, including the likes of Bruce Fordyce, Shaun Mikaeljohn and others. Its not clear cut, sports nutrition is not a clear science and low to medium GI works wonders for people like myself especially in longer endurance events because I want to use my fat stores as my energy source, putting a product into your system that spikes your insulin levels too much will negate this, and you are missing out on using one of the most powerful natural energy stores given to man ;-)/

 

Thanks, intuitively I think you are right. 32GI seems to work well for me so far.

[mr HED]

first you need to be fit, if you are not fit for the event you are entering no supplement in the world will help you. once you are fit and your normal dietary requirements are sorted you can look to supplementation. too many times guys blame supplements where they are in fact under trained, malnourished etc.

 

i did 230 km TransBaviaans on 32 endurance, chews, a potato, a pie, an apple, a banana and 32 Gi recovery x2 (makes a great pre ride or during ride protein top up), felt great all day, no bloating etc and finished under 12h.

[Johan Schade]

Try Cadence Revolution for the short intense rides and Cadence Marathon for the longer events. Use Epic Pro as well.In my opion Cadence far better especially for to keep the sugarlevels stable.

[cajohnston]

I am an avid believer in Cyto Power and works really well for me but I wanted to try out 32GI to see what the hype is about...until i saw that there are 6 E-ingredients, one of them (E-129) being on the should void list. Im not sure that this is something that they should be promoting (or have in their products) as I haven't seen other suppliments listing those ingredients.

 

"Many ingredients with E-numbers are already banned in numerous countries due to the fact that they are known to cause problems in humans, particularly allergies, yet in countries like South Africa they might be permitted."

 

Has anyone else had this concern?

[Blackadder]

Its a concern, but I would not overstate it. E numbers simply mean they have been approved for human consumption by the European Union Food Safety Authority. Some of the colourants used by 32GI (E122 and E129) are quite controversial though.

[MuddyMike]

32GI is quite different to Epic Pro.

 

For me a "normal" drink like 32GI, Cytogen etc are fine for short events, however for longer events 3 hours plus or stage racing you need to add protein (peptopro) to your usual drink or use a drink containing peptopro such as USN Epicpro or Biogen Cytogen RS-Pro.

['Dale]

I am an avid believer in Cyto Power and works really well for me but I wanted to try out 32GI to see what the hype is about...until i saw that there are 6 E-ingredients, one of them (E-129) being on the should void list. Im not sure that this is something that they should be promoting (or have in their products) as I haven't seen other suppliments listing those ingredients.

 

"Many ingredients with E-numbers are already banned in numerous countries due to the fact that they are known to cause problems in humans, particularly allergies, yet in countries like South Africa they might be permitted."

 

Has anyone else had this concern?

 

Interesting point.

Thanx!

['Dale]

Its a concern, but I would not overstate it. E numbers simply mean they have been approved for human consumption by the European Union Food Safety Authority. Some of the colourants used by 32GI (E122 and E129) are quite controversial though.

 

Hmmm...

Don't like the word 'controversial'.

[davetapson]

Epic Pro is concoction of all sorts of stuff, including protein. Tastes horrible to me, but damn, it can get you through epic rides.

 

32GI just energy source.

 

Now use Cadence Marathon - like Epic Pro but civilised. And probably better. Certainly tastes a whole lot better. One batch of EP I just about gagged after each swallow, but like I said, before CM, was the only think I could find that worked for epic rides.

Edited October 2, 2012 by davetapson

[rob7x]

Epic Pro is concoction of all sorts of stuff, including protein. Tastes horrible to me, but damn, it can get you through epic rides.

 

32GI just energy source.

 

Now use Cadence Marathon - like Epic Pro but civilised. And probably better. Certainly tastes a whole lot better. One batch of EP I just about gagged after each swallow, but like I said, before CM, was the only think I could find that worked for epic rides.

 

Epic pro doesnt taste horrible at all anymore. I'm not sure when they changed the flavour, its really improved and I actually enjoy it now (but used to hate it when it first came out).

 

I am keen to try the Cadence Marathon though. Havent seen it on the shelf yet though.

[Spinnekop]

Now use Cadence Marathon - like Epic Pro but civilised. And probably better. Certainly tastes a whole lot better. One batch of EP I just about gagged after each swallow, but like I said, before CM, was the only think I could find that worked for epic rides.

 

If only one can get some.......

Gauteng....impossible!

[StevieL]

Hmmm...

Don't like the word 'controversial'.

 

2. E122 – carmoisine. E122 is a synthetic red dye that’s used as a colouring in many foods. Already banned in several countries, including Norway, Japan, America and Sweden, this colouring is found in products such as sweets, yogurts, packet soup, jelly and jam. It has been positively linked to hyperactivity in children and the UK government recommend that children may be better avoiding it, but it can also cause allergic reactions in adults too.

3. E129 – allura red. E129 is a red or orange like synthetic dye which is used as a food colouring in drinks and sweets. As well as being linked to hyperactive behaviour in children, it may also cause allergic skin reactions in adults, especially anyone sensitive to aspirin. It’s worth noting that E129 has already been banned in many countries, including France, Germany, Belgium, Austria, Norway and Sweden.