Post your mtb SS

[Mattwalt]

Compared to a Surly Singular or Paul Melvin 109g  (actually cheaper) it is though.

 

The cheap SS double pulley tensioners are essentially ‘clutched’ and they’re around €20-30. 

 

I used a singular with a oval no problems as well - there is actually very little change length change. Also the tension on that is variably set to riders preference. Same with the DMR Tensionseeker 2. 

 

But I agree its not wildly heavy - But as a bit of a weight/money weenie its sort of out of the ‘inner circle’ for me.

 

It reminds me a lot of the YESS tensioners. 

 

I prefer tensioners over track ends - but good sliders are definitely the SS sweet spot.

[MORNE]

Compared to a Surly Singular or Paul Melvin 109g  (actually cheaper) it is though.

 

But I agree its not wildly heavy - But as a bit of a weight/money weenie its sort of out of the ‘inner circle’ for me.

 

snip

 

yea...51g? for obvious superior tech? no brainer for me

 

take 51ml less water? cut your hair? go commando?   

[Mattwalt]

LOL - Loose 20kg of body mass...

 

But its the cost as well...

 

Any idea of how easy its to remove the rear wheel with it fitted. Many can be a real pain in the #### to get the wheel in and out. A simple easy to use system would possibly over-ride my option. 

Edited August 2, 2019 by Mattwalt

[MORNE]

LOL - Loose 20kg of body mass...

lol yip. luckily I don't have 20kg to lose, but i'm sure I can muster 51g if I try haha.

 

EDIT: I think (or it looks like it) works like a normal derailleur in terms of tensioning so it would be like taking it out of a 'normal' geared setup

 

 

around 2:15 (Nico Vinks's FR bike)

Edited August 2, 2019 by morneS555

[Mattwalt]

My 2 most recent builds. 

 

 

 

 

[Mattwalt]

The top bike is using a double pulley tensioner - Usually with those the cog ‘binds’ on the top pulley which can be a little frustrating getting the wheel out.

 

Singulator (pull up mode) is easier but the ‘quick-release’ can get in the way in some cases using the spacer for tension can be fiddly...

Edited August 2, 2019 by Mattwalt

[Hairy]

^ 160g is not exactly heavy though lol.(EDIT: thats lighter than a XTR level derailleur by almost100g) the rapide type ones are all100-120g and they are clutchless. imo this opens up a whole lot more frame choices (vertical dropouts) and considering the amount of cheap and nasty tensioners alot of people use on ss builds....this one would be a no brainer if i built aSS on a vertical frame again. Apparently they also don't have that horrid skip that the el'cheapos give you under load...and works flawlessly with oval chainrings obviously

I still think  the cleanest solution on a vertical drop out bike is to run a guide / tensioner at the crank. Nice and clean, easy to get the rear wheel off and amazingly adds very little resistance to the drive train ... that v crank would spin freely like nobody's business.

 

If you do not have ISG tabs on your frame, but use an external BB, you do get adapters that fit between the frame and BB that accept an ISG mounted guide.

 

 

Edited August 2, 2019 by Hairy

[MORNE]

yea those work nicely if you have a threaded BB. You are screwed as per usual with anything BB30 or pf30 without ISG. They should just make external bb's compulsory...

Edited August 2, 2019 by morneS555

[Jewbacca]

I dunno.... I would never build a SS on a non SS frame.... 

 

A SS DH/Enduro bike in SA without uplift would be death.

 

I know because I rode a converted drop out Blackmarket Killswitch as a short travel SS 650b trail bike for years.

[Jewbacca]

yea those work nicely if you have a threaded BB. You are screwed as per usual with anything BB30 or pf30 without ISG. They should just make external bb's compulsory...

If you have these, the whiskey (now squid bikes) 'oner' solves all issues by turning your oversize BB shell into an EBB

[MORNE]

If you have these, the whiskey (now squid bikes) 'oner' solves all issues by turning your oversize BB shell into an EBB

yeah forgot about EBB's in pf30 frames. Niner also makes one for R1bilion lol

 

https://bikemob.co.za/collections/niner/products/ninerbiocentric30bottombracket

Edited August 2, 2019 by morneS555

[Jewbacca]

yeah forgot about EBB's in pf30 frames. Niner also makes one for R1bilion lol

 

https://bikemob.co.za/collections/niner/products/ninerbiocentric30bottombracket

Cheaper price as your double clutch system!

 

The 'Oner' is about 110 dollar and will love you long time. It also comes in various clours so you can go full chav and match it with all the matchey Hope kit!

[Hairy]

Cheaper price as your double clutch system!

 

The 'Oner' is about 110 dollar and will love you long time. It also comes in various clours so you can go full chav and match it with all the matchey Hope kit!

could do a lovely carbon roadie SS conversion with the "Oner"

[MORNE]

i see the "oner" is  $140 already...so at 140(x14)+15%+10%+shipping i guess id hypothetically take the niner one instead as it will be cheaper locally lol...or even a Wheels MFG one IF they finally manage to stock their stuff locally reliably.

[Hairy]

i see the "oner" is  $140 already...so at 140(x14)+15%+10%+shipping i guess id hypothetically take the niner one instead as it will be cheaper locally lol...or even a Wheels MFG one IF they finally manage to stock their stuff locally reliably.

so you are looking at around 3K then ........... wonder what it would cost a local engineering firm to turn this out on a lathe?

[Mattwalt]

I still think  the cleanest solution on a vertical drop out bike is to run a guide / tensioner at the crank. Nice and clean, easy to get the rear wheel off and amazingly adds very little resistance to the drive train ... that v crank would spin freely like nobody's business.

 

If you do not have ISG tabs on your frame, but use an external BB, you do get adapters that fit between the frame and BB that accept an ISG mounted guide.

 

 

 

Surely you would need to adjust for chain stretch etc. which means loosening cranks and hub to adjust? Just seems like it could be a fiddly setup.