rouxtjie Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 Ok, so the problem is not the Edge 800 but rather the data on the map set? You(collective/plural/non-specify) CAN map a route / trail on BaseCamp, which comes with the 800 and transfer that to the 800. Maybe look at other maps than the SA Streetmaps. Kinda daft to expect streetmaps to show offroad trails .... Alternatively you can purchase the Tracks4Africa map sets which were compiled by offroad (4x4) fans. You could even compile your own maps from activities on Garmin Connect and use those on the 800... Just a bit of elbow grease and Robert is the brother of your mother A magic answer as a fully detailed map to trails on private land it definitely is not!Ta, you said it better. My point is just for mtb(on trails) the 500 can do everything the 800 just not in colour, including the mapping of a route on mapmyride or other software and uploading it to your 500, bit of a schlep in my opinion. I find downloading a map for the 500 from garmin connect much easier, giving you the breadcrumbs to follow. For road navigation the 800 probably comes into its own.
rouxtjie Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 obviously, if you havent been there before, you would not have been able to mark the location.But you can download trails, tracks and race routes from websites or mates before hand and prepare a little. When you get lost in a place you have never been before (or didnt prepare) use the "back home" navigation and the device will navigate you back to the start point of you route, normally where you parked your car!Ja downloading trail maps from garmin connect will then allow you to find your way out, but this exact function the 500 can also do, so it doesnt have the edge. The "back home" is all good and well but it will just give you an arrow pointing at the destination on areas it cannot navigate you on. Now at van gaalens its useless because it means whacking through bush like a nam vet, crossing rivers and climbing koppies with your bike on your back, there will be no riding...until you get to some sort of road it can give you turn by turn directions on
Tankman Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 Ja downloading trail maps from garmin connect will then allow you to find your way out, but this exact function the 500 can also do, so it doesnt have the edge. The "back home" is all good and well but it will just give you an arrow pointing at the destination on areas it cannot navigate you on. Now at van gaalens its useless because it means whacking through bush like a nam vet, crossing rivers and climbing koppies with your bike on your back, there will be no riding...until you get to some sort of road it can give you turn by turn directions on Not true, it will direct you back the way you came. If you came on a route or trail, it will direct you back on that route or trail. If you stray 5m from the route you came on, it will alert you. If you played Rambo getting there, that is just your own issues man!
rouxtjie Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 Not true, it will direct you back the way you came. If you came on a route or trail, it will direct you back on that route or trail. If you stray 5m from the route you came on, it will alert you. If you played Rambo getting there, that is just your own issues man!My experience was different with the 705, it gave an arrow pointing in a direction at which point I switched it off to find my own way home...but the reverse option on the 800 is even worse in my opinion, what if you completed 50km already and want to head home, now you have to backtrack 50km...silly, you want the way forward, not back. Also the 500 would still show you your breadcrumbs so you can ride it in reverse same as the 800. Agteros summed it up, its the lack of trails on the underlying map that you have on the 800 that is the problem not the device. For road navigation it is better, for mtb trail navigation...no better than the 500 I am afraid.
Tankman Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) what if you completed 50km already and want to head home, now you have to backtrack 50km...silly, you want the way forward, not back. You really dont want to get back home then do you? If given the choice to backtrack 50km or to get lost even further, I know which one I would choose.Neither 500 or 800 will be able to tell you the way forward on a trail that is not on the map or you have never ridden before, But only the 800 can tell you a way forward and not the 500. (if you know what I mean) Edited January 17, 2011 by Tankman
rouxtjie Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 you really dont want to get back home then do you. if given the choice to backtrack 50km or to get lost even further, I know which one I would choose.neither 500 or 800 will be able to tell you the way forward on a trail that is not on the map or you have never ridden before.yahtzee! The 800 will just tell you in colour to go back...or maybe push on.....mmmm what would bear grylls do
Guest agteros Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 yahtzee! The 800 will just tell you in colour to go back...or maybe push on.....mmmm what would bear grylls do but on the 800 you do have the option to recalculate your route, or to make a detour..... Enough of all of that routjie, what is your gripe with the 800? Trying to convince yourself to NOT get one?
Thug Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 (edited) One thing about the Garmin mapping units is that you don't have to stick with the supplied Garmap. There are plenty of opensource map providers including MTB maps for SA and these get updated on a weekly basis. When I had my 705, I used these MAPS Edited January 17, 2011 by Thug
rouxtjie Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 but on the 800 you do have the option to recalculate your route, or to make a detour..... Enough of all of that routjie, what is your gripe with the 800? Trying to convince yourself to NOT get one?No gripe, just pointing out some facts, still a great tool and like I said in my first post, its not worse than the 500, enjoy it if you have one but don't package it as something it isn't.
BigGuy Posted January 17, 2011 Posted January 17, 2011 I tried the 800 for the first time on the mtb this past weekend and I am happy with the performance. The screen is easy to read in sun light and in the rain.
supra Posted January 19, 2011 Posted January 19, 2011 Can you currently only get the 800 from CRC/UK/US? When will it be available locally?
Ysterman Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 I tried the 800 for the first time on the mtb this past weekend and I am happy with the performance. The screen is easy to read in sun light and in the rain. BigGuy, How is the touchscreen working with full finger gloves? If its like my iphone, I have to answer it with my tongue ... and I dont hink its gonna work se lekker with the edge on the handlebars
BigGuy Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 BigGuy, How is the touchscreen working with full finger gloves? If its like my iphone, I have to answer it with my tongue ... and I dont hink its gonna work se lekker with the edge on the handlebars Howzit Yster, haven't tried it with the full finger gloves, mine is winter models and a pest to wear in summer. But, I can comment that it uses resistive touch technology (unlike the newer capacitive as on your iphone) so in theory it should work ok with almost any pointing device. You have to use a fair amount of pressure to get response but that is good imho. They say the screen is tough but I have already managed to scratch mine (i managed to break my arm last week), so a screen protector should be compulsory.
Ysterman Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Howzit Yster, haven't tried it with the full finger gloves, mine is winter models and a pest to wear in summer. But, I can comment that it uses resistive touch technology (unlike the newer capacitive as on your iphone) so in theory it should work ok with almost any pointing device. You have to use a fair amount of pressure to get response but that is good imho. They say the screen is tough but I have already managed to scratch mine (i managed to break my arm last week), so a screen protector should be compulsory. Thanks for the info I don’t know too much about the technologies, but it sounds like "resistive touch technology" would work with full finger gloves. wrt the screen protector, you don’t perhaps know where one can buy some of the stuff, I think I've heard that you can buy some generic stuff and then cut it to size for phones, GPS's, etc.
Chubba Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Been looking at the 500 and 800, but i think there are a few more differences than just the mapping, good for a structured training program i would think? 1. Simple workouts (input time, distance and calorie goals)2. Pace alert (triggers alarm if you vary from preset pace)3. Interval training (set up exercise and rest intervals) Has anyone used these facilities, do they work well?Can you also input a heart rate indicator to keep at a predetermined rate?
Guest agteros Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Been looking at the 500 and 800, but i think there are a few more differences than just the mapping, good for a structured training program i would think? 1. Simple workouts (input time, distance and calorie goals)2. Pace alert (triggers alarm if you vary from preset pace)3. Interval training (set up exercise and rest intervals) Has anyone used these facilities, do they work well?Can you also input a heart rate indicator to keep at a predetermined rate? I use my 800 for interval training on the IDT. Works great, although if you have nested repeats, it skips a repeat from the second set onwards. Eg 5x(4x(1:50 + 0:10)) the innner set becomes 3x(1:50+0:10) Other than that it works a charm. Starts beeping 5 seconds before the start of a new action, also have a screen showing what is next. You can have ONE goal per action, eg HR, cadence, power, etc. I would love to have had 2 in combination, eg cadence + HR There is a warning (sometimes incessant) that indicates that you are not in whatever 'target' you've set yourself. I use the Garmin plugin to SportTracks 3 to program it
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