Hi Hubbers,I totally agree on this. Its all about the affordability buying Chinese frames,they're pretty much next to real thing with a descent paintjob. Stifness also not any issue,ive ridden 4 models over the last 5 years and no issues-touch wood. Ill attach a photo of my latest build F8 that im also willing to sell if someone is in the market for such. This was aslo a blank frameset which ive got custom sprayed,yes sprayed...no stickers !