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By bypassing all those channels you are still effectively stealing the IP from Pinarello seeing they would otherwise benefit from the sale. Also as far as the agents in SA are concerned, they obviosly carry stock, spares, backup etc which cost money, so this would be a grey import and the agents could well refuse any back up, refuse to sell spares etc which imho would be 100% correct and fair. Everyone keeps going back to the quality of the Chinarellos, but even if they were just as good, thats still Pinarellos IP in terms of brand, and design IP. What they charge might be exorbatent so sure dont buy one by a cheaper bike. If there are generic chinese blanks that dont copy any proprieatry features, sure thats fair game but not copies of product that have protected IP.

Mhhhh "Onetime" " flymango" could ot be that thr entire low cost flight industry is controlled from here?

Eish sorry to hear Glad you are ok, maybe consider one of those aussie hats with the corks to keep those annoying flies away :-)

Katotter, jou agterstewe gaan jou bedank, ek is so 125 kg en ry op 2 voor en 2.2 agter O en die afstand sal kom, ek het gedink 6km was omtrent afstand toe ek begin het en nnou is 60 al n rustige naweek trappie. Voorspoed en geniet dit.

They might test it the same way, the counterfeit might be better its irrelevant, it is brand and IP theft. Whether its 4 k, 40 K or 400 K is not the issue it is Pinarellos brand and IP it belongs to them, if they decide to overprice it, sure dont buy. But just becuase a Rolex retails for 80 k and I dont think its worth that I dont steal one or buy a fake becuase I would like one. You could buy a stolen bike cheaper than a legit one, but becuase it is a physical item that was stolen you wont. Why then is it fine to buy stolen Intellectual Property and stolen Brand Equity? There are counterfeit, police services all over the world have anti- counterfeit units becuase it is illegal.

The fact of the matter is that these blanks and copies all have Pinarello IP in terms of design possi le manufacturing practise etc be they cheap knock offs or midnight specials in the same plant. I.e you are buying STOLEN IP. You may as well buy a stolen bike or wait outside Meerendal and whip it of some blokes bike rack while he is having a glass of wine. Whether they are the real deal or not in terms of quality or not you are buying it based on the fact that it is in fact a copy of a Pinarello, you wouldnt buy a copy of a cheap bike.

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From by broader view( limited bike experience ) Firstly the Chinese market is huge you can get the best manufacturing possible ( just think Foxconn) and some rather crappy and it generally os what the market requires. That being said big brand performance equipment manufacturers generally make " massive margins" when you compare unit cost vs sales price, but it doesnt stop there Technology and design costs, in time, mock ups , prototypes, redesign, proper testing, decent qc systems etc. The cost of trademarks patents etc. Then I assume they would sponsor users ( in the case of bikes pro sportsman) in part marketing in part testing feedback, and in part to start designing the next best thing. Then marketing to help sell the volumes required to cover the by now mounting cost. Then back up. This cost more than you would think. Then all this starts filtering down to the lower level units so that chubby cyclists like me get more for my R 15k entry level bikes It also forces competitors to find an enduring competitive advantage to be able to compete meaning more tech filtering down. So whether it is the exact same thing as the original that is just not branded or a knockoff is not the point. By buying the manufacturers technology you disintermediate this chain by taking out crucial elements interrupting the cycle and probably adding cost of the manufacturer trying to protect his IP which he will have to recover Same thing as buying fake Levis, pirating music and movies.

Would loooove to Join but sitting in Riversdale tonight :-(

Ok so I am a 3.6. Would this make me awesome on downhills :-) Damn would have to lose 40 to get to 2.6

Congrats on the purchase

Thank you kind sir http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o173/Kangawolf/2a38f9cd2230692388ccf9203baa6291.jpg Not a great pic but like I said. Tough as nails

A great pleasure sir

Great to meet some guys, great gentle ride and hey hopefully a kid or two will smile over xmas. Thanks for arranging it Slowbee

Wow Did a 45 km ride with the Rydons today Being able to bend / shape the arms result in a stunning fit, comfortable and does not slide down your nose while riding. Initially I thought the lenses could be a little darker but after wearing them for a while I think they are just fine Really glad I got them

I wear a Omega Seamaster Pro as aday to day watch. Not too flashy but tough as nails Now to figure out how to post pics from an iPad

Got them, must say at first glance they are very comfortable and the photochromic lenses work well Now SWMBO wants a pair too

Right Virgin Active Seapoint at 9 Besides teddies is there anything we can bring, was thinking board games, tonka type truck etc ?

Oh of course,

So I am hoping they will deliver my Rudy Project Rydons tommorow Thanks for all the advice guys

My 20 month daughter loooves the giant seat, and it seems well built. I got her a specialized helmet around R500 and it fits well and seems like a solid unit and she does not mind it on her noggin, in fact she taps her head asking for it when I put her in the seat

Thanks for the replies people.

Thanks so far guys, are their sizes or is it one size fits all. How easily do they scratch?

So I kept getting a sore neck when cycling. Turns out my el cheapo sunglasses were the problem, I had to strain to see under the frame of the glasses hence neckpain. so now cycling without any glasses problem gone. What glasses should I look at what works for you good people