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"What the flock" refers to a very popular, universal phrase - it sounds very similar - that can be used to express surprise, indignation, or just good old sarcasm.

Per BigH specs, I'd assume!

Is that a cannondale?

Holy, isn't your post repetitive of mud dee's?

Unicycle - isn't this rather an example of actual, the-real-thing competitive behaviour?

http://airlineworld.wordpress.com/2007/11/16/etihad-airbus-slams-into-wall-while-engine-testing/ This is an incident of Nov 2007, wherein the aircraft's engines were routinely tested - by Airbus - at Toulouse prior to delivery. It is unclear what caused the aircraft to release, but 5 people were injured. The Airbus A340 - 600 is the longest airplane in civil service, not to be confused with the A380 800. The Airbus A380-800 (the superjumbo) is the largest passenger airliner in the world, but has a shorter fuselage than the Airbus A340-600 (Airbus's next-biggest passenger aeroplane).

Spending serious $$ has an inherent risk associated with it . Can you imagine how you'll vloek when a dikwiel drops you?

Buy the best helmet you can find. Only then buy yourself a nice bike, one that fits you - it really has very little to do with brandnames. But that pinarello does sound like very good value for money ...

Steel Niner, if the importer also retails, he has the resultant overheads of retailing to carry.He's entitled to a profit, but the profit is not 'twice', as the incurred costs equals it out.

I think that a bit too much emphasis is being given to the fact that an ?industry? meeting was held, and to focus solely on a proposal to raise recommended retail does not display the whole picture. At the same time FP and AM deserve some credit for both their entrepreneurship and cycling-advocacy over the years. Their businesses employ many, benefit an exponential number of service providers, and they are passionate about the sport. Does FP and AM have enough trust banked in the public's trust account? I believe that they have, despite a hefty withdrawal from that account as a result of the somewhat improper management of this ill-fated meetings, and the fallout that resulted. It is quite possible that the discussion at the meeting could have bordered on anti-competitive price fixing ? a similar question was seemingly asked according to the minute - but the consistent explanation furnished by stakeholders assure us that it was not intended as such. There was certainly crappy minute keeping, that quite possibly did not record what the real gist of the meeting was. If you read the minutes (again) you have to admit that the minutes are inconsequent, and skips a lot. Many un-minuted questions are seemingly answered, and the format of the minute is riddled with typing- , spelling mistakes and formatting errors. Andrew ? in fact - seems quite furious at being mis-quoted... The crux of the matter is that there is no real price fixing model contained in either the minutes of the meeting, the email of Fritz, or the knee-jerk postings made by AM & FP on the Hub. I looked for it, and although the minute looks somewhat damning , it does not really collude an industry to ransack the consumer. In fact, the minuted proposal is somewhat unclear. The fact of the matter is that many bikeshops are not making it, primarily the smaller guys, and they need help. In truth, there is nothing wrong with arranging a raise of the recommended retail price, allowing the opportunity for a slightly higher markup to the retailer (which FP & CL said they would be using, and urged others to do so as well). Ironically - as a result of their increases - some shops would be able to even lower (relatively) their asking prices! Fritz' meeting could have been better managed - sure - but it is also important to see it for what it was seemingly intended. At the meeting itself, concerns were raised whether such 'agreement' would constitute anti-competitive behaviour, but Fritz was of the opinion that it was not. A suggestion was minuted that legal advice ought to be gained on the matter, but what is absolutely, abundantly clear, is that it was not. This was a mistake, for legal opinion would have advised that caution be applied, and surely the "minute' would have been remedied. The formal suggestion of raising a recommended retail price is not really price fixing - as (a matter of fact) it can have exactly the opposite effect - but the situation could very easily be misinterpreted, especially seen in the light of Fritz's minuted comment of ?discounters? that could eventually be pissing him off. It turns out Fritz Pienaar is human, and frustrated by 'discounters'. Allow him that, but not everybody at that meeting would agree with such sentiment. In a certain sense all shopkeepers are discounters. The unfortunate act was that the juicy titbit 'got published', ironically, by himself! With hindsight - being an exact science - it turns out that a couple of shopkeepers and their suppliers made a hash of a meeting, because they simply underestimated what the effect was of what they were trying to do. Did the meeting try to swindle the industry for their own benefit? No, they say they didn?t. They tried to help the lbs around the corner, and the retailer with accounts past 180 days. All in all, it seems possible. In any event, those who try to help others will be appropriately punished.

One should - perhaps - also remember that the slapped cyclist did not use language more foul than what is used on this very hub, every day. TNT1's brand of repartee has somehow initiated its own thread during the course of this week, I might add.

I'm no doctor, but have suffered and researched my own numb hands. I came up with this general info - it forms part of an article iro "Common cycling injuries". Feel free to visit www.everythingbicycling.co.za for some more info. Pressure injuries. Pressure on the hands, the perineum, buttocks and the feet can be a problem, particularly on long rides. If you bike is properly set up, you have good gloves and good padded cycling shorts and a decent saddle this will be minimised and should not lead to long-term damage. However, there are times when excessive, prolonged pressure can lead to nerve and tissue damage. Handlebar palsy. Ulnar neuropathy is an inflammation of the nerve that runs along the entire length of the arm to the hand. This nerve provides for both movement and feeling in the arm and hand. The nerve becomes inflamed, usually either at the elbow or the wrist, when it has to absorb vibration and shock transmitted to the arm, or it can flare up when the hand and arm are maintained in a fixed position for a long time. Symptoms of handlebar palsy include tingling, numbness, or pain on the outside or middle of the forearm; this sensation of discomfort may run all the way to the little finger. It?s important to note, too, that during early stages of the injury symptoms might be limited to tingling (the familiar ?pins-and-needles? sensation) while riding, but can rapidly progress to numbness and even intense pain. Handlebar palsy should never be taken lightly, as the ulnar nerve may become compressed due to swelling of surrounding muscles and connective tissues, and its ability to transmit messages to the muscles of the forearm may be reduced. The result is a loss of strength in the muscles of the hand, often first reflected in an inability to spread the fingers. If handlebar palsy is present, it is really best to refrain from cycling until symptoms disappear. Manage handlebar palsy by having a professional evaluate your position on the bicycle and to make adjustments to assure that your weight is not too far forward (excessively supported by your hands on the handlebars), and: o observe how you are gripping the handlebars. The grip should be firm, yet relaxed. Increase the strength of your forearms and the range of motion of your wrists. o try padded gloves or handlebar tape to reduce the vibration, (and to protect the hand in the case of a fall during cycling). o shift the position of your hands regularly - remember to keep the wrist straight. o don't ride long distances on successive days if your hands are constantly going numb (rest).

Only an anthropodenialist could not agree.

This is absolute nonsense. It's just not done - what were you thinking - it's ludicrous. I cannot believe that anybody with any sense could even vaguely imply that the new guy in front of the weathermap could be likened to his holiness, the Riaan Cruywagen. Remember - as Chuck does - that Mr Cruywagen does not read the news. He dictates it.

Swartkat, per haps I can point you in a slightly different direction. The question you need to ask, is: "Which bike fits ME best?". The components will wear over time, you will upgrade in any event, or you might even find that Mtbiking is just not for you after a couple of faceplants in a proper rockgarden. But the answer to which is the better bike remains linked to whether the bike fits YOU. And ultimately, whether you like the bike. It really is that simple.

It happens. Interestingly, it happens so often there's even a legal term - that stems from English law - for the situation it creates: 'Snatching at the bargain'. An ad - interestingly - is not considered as a true, real, genuine offer susceptible of being accepted. It is merely seen as an invitation to do business, but if your invitations are incorrect/misleading, do so at your own peril...

Mirror mirror, they've hit the wall, but who'll be the fastest of them all? (I presume such a team will keep to their paceline.) peloton2008-03-17 04:49:41

One day - when we're all old - we'll remember the good old days when petrol was still under R20/p/l. But then again, that might also be next year June...

I reelly pity those piepol who kant spel a word in more than won wy.

Perhaps its noteworthy that the Glenvista 4 assaulted a vehicle and kicked down it's door! The car was hijacked (the riders even provoked!) by Satan (who else?) and now Everybody's stoked!

Hi Guys. Everythingbicycling still has a couple of spots available at more or less R350 per bike. (It includes the cost of insurance of total destruction/theft of the trailer.) The collection point is also at Greenpoint Stadium. In addition you can send you helmet, waterbottle and shoes with us. AND there's no dismantling required. Feel free to give Albert a call on 082 897 0084.

"Clothes maketh the man. Naked people have little / no influence on society." UN Known.

Interesting problem. Racers - believing they were in a proper race - simply abused the privilege afforded them of rolling road closure, and strayed over the white line. It might not have been a real problem if they were in fact advised prior to the event that they ought not stray into the oncoming lane if tempted to do so. In doing so lives were put at risk, motorists offended, and the sport of cycling done harm. Pantani advises that when racing, if the peloton jumps into the fire, so will he, because there's prize money at stake, and results ensure sponsorship. In a certain sense I can understand Pantani's views, he's not saying there is no problem, he's saying that when the avalanche started, he had to go with the flow. Being competitive means that you will take chances. An insurer having accepted the race event's risks - looking at these pics - will in all probability be justified in repudiating any racer's claim that might have arose on Helshoogte, whereas the motor drivers' claims will have to be upheld, the race organisers being liable for creating, allowing and endorsing the 'crossing over to the other side'. I would suggest to put the blame of this ludicrous risks taken suarely on the race organiser's lap. They were not in control - as they are supposed to be - and their entrants abused the conditions under which the road was made available to them as organisers of the race, creating a dangerous situation on Helshoogte. As to Pantani's admission that when racing, safety is a secondary (and faraway) concern, i can only shrugg my shoulders, look off into the distance and have a differing opinion. Interestingly, the only reason why a craft is subject to professionalism, is because you subject yourself and become accountable to a 'professional organisation'. Doctors, lawyers, accountants, politicians, are all subject to their organisation, and accordingly standardised, or labelled as 'professional'. Network specialists, plummers, builders and bookkeepers - all of whom might be doing a stirling job - are not subject to vaguely the same scrutiny and possible censure, and their crafts are accordingly not categorised as 'professional'. A 'professional' ("elite" nogal!) rider is subject to the rules of the road, the rules of the organisation to which he is a card carrying member, and if the organisation does not enforce the basic rules of the road, it becomes a farce. View it from the other side (no pun intended). If a struggling bus' driver would have crossed the line, and a bunch of elite riders smashed into him coming down around a blind corner, the only remaining question would be where we are going to hang him? At the top, or bottom, of Helshoogte. peloton2007-12-04 16:02:21

I think I did miss your point E1A104. In reading the posts again I think I might have strayed... Sure, it makes sense not to have to become a member of a club. It's actually THAT simple.

The concern in respect of overcontribution to a "club's coffers" and "why must I pay" is a bad, purile point. It lacks vision. It lacks optimism. It lacks good faith. It is destructive. The fact that it might on occasion be true is irrelevant. Support the sport via its structures, or start your own. It will entitle your opinion. Let's see whether YOU will be able to please all of the people, all of the time, at the same time generally being prodded and subjected to 'skinder' and even the odd 'vicious rumour' mongerer who has an axe to grind. If you neither contribute nor have an alternative, why should anybody listen to you? Just because you bought a bike does not mean a helluva lot. Trying to impress the cycling masses with justification of your opinionated lack of support of the exsisting structures, is just strange. Please refer to actual instances of skullduggery, of fraud, of deceipt, of embezzlement that the voiciforous detractors of CSA so vehemently insinuate. On this the participant cycling mass can and will act. The instances you love to refer to (Winningtime! Women Cycling! Development Disagreement! Dave Bellairs! Rule enforcements!) are but examples of common, day to day, of run of the mill problems that exist in any organisation, anywhere, anyplace, anytime. Albeit occasionally inflammating, they don't really mean too much. For R30 a pop, I wouldn't want that job...